BCrouse
2005-10-14, 09:09 PM
I found this in the discussion.autodesk.com
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=432344
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Posted by: D. Kuhn
Date: Oct/11/05 - 11:08 (MDT) NEW!
http://discussion.autodesk.com/images/btn_reply.gif (http://discussion.autodesk.com/post!reply.jspa?messageID=4981130) Please for the next release (ADT 2007) buy out VisionREZ and implement all
of their stuff into ADT. I have been amazed at how VisionREZ is able to
make a smart, easy to use and COMPLETE roof system while autodesk--who
created the program--either cannot or will not. Can anyone answer how or
why a third party developer was able to come up with a far superior Roof
Object then the very creators of the program? If you can't do it all in one
release at least start with wood rafter residential roofs--anything would be
better then what we now have.
Roofs need to be able to have multiple plate heights, contain multiple
components (i.e. sheathing, decking, etc...) and instead of using a flat 2d
hatch to represent standing seam metal roofing how about a "style" that
actually shows the metal ribs "standing" in elevation view? roofs need to
fillet and cleanup with each other without having to resort to trims,
miters, and extends.
Slabs need to be able to be really used as monolithic foundations with grade
beams (internal and external) that can be snapped into place and configured
(like a clomn grid object) without having to resort to making mass objects
and then boolean subtracting them from the slab object. Slabs need to have
multiple components like walls.
A COMPLETE Structural system needs to be available. Where are steel Girts,
Purlins, etc....? NO MORE TRIM PLANES!!!!!!!! Structural objects should
fillet, trim, chamfer, etc.... like walls do.
I would love it if the ADT team would work on and totally COMPLETE just
one--I really mean just ONE--type of building object per release. What I
mean is this: In ADT 2007 just totally complete the Roof Objects--nothing
else--just roofs. This would give the team an entire year to study, test,
research, get advice from Architecs, engineers, manufacturers on the various
roof types and systems being used. Metal roof systems like Berridge, MBCI
could be consulted and integrated into the Roof Object System. "Flat" roof
decks that have multiple slopes to roof drains would be added. Residential
style roofs with closed cornices, plancher cuts, soffits, gutters would all
be easy to use, intuitive and ready to "go."
We are now (with ADT 2006) on the 8th official release of ADT. Each release
addresses just a little of the needs of all the various "Objects" (i.e.
Walls, Doors, Windows, Slabs, Roofs, Railings, Structures, etc....) The
carrot is always dangling for the "next release" to solve a problem or
enhance an Object Style. While I know that the following is an AutoCAD
thing I just don't get it that Autodesk pays someone to change the color or
image or position of an icon for a toolbar. Why would you waste your time
doing that? A simple example is the "Match Properties" toolbar icon that
changed from a wide "paint brush" to an "Xacto-Looking-thing." Why? We all
learned what the icon stood for and then it changes. Why did the AutoCAD
icon have to change from Red to Blue? No big deal but somebody had to do
it. Why not fire that person and just leave stupid little things like icons
alone and put the money you paid them into making the program what it can be
and what it should be befoer we all die of old age?
I think we -- the end users -- are going to have to face it: ADT, Revit or
whatever program replaces them will never be a complete fully functional
program that Architects, Engineers and other design professional can use as
a "tool" to create drawings from which real buildings are built. The reason
is simple: Any software company that does that will be out-of-business
because no one will need to upgrade every 12 months. Of course a really
creative group of people could create a software that really is complete and
then they could sell add-on modules that consist of libraries of Object
Styles for various manufacturers like U.S. Aluminum "Storefronts". You
could make a deal with the manufacturer to have their product available as
an add-on module for your Architectural Software and end users who need it
could buy it. You could always update your program for new Hardware and OS
releases. To borrow from the song "what a wonderful world it would be."
Dkuhn
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Thank you,
Brad
http://discussion.autodesk.com/thread.jspa?threadID=432344
[quote]
Posted by: D. Kuhn
Date: Oct/11/05 - 11:08 (MDT) NEW!
http://discussion.autodesk.com/images/btn_reply.gif (http://discussion.autodesk.com/post!reply.jspa?messageID=4981130) Please for the next release (ADT 2007) buy out VisionREZ and implement all
of their stuff into ADT. I have been amazed at how VisionREZ is able to
make a smart, easy to use and COMPLETE roof system while autodesk--who
created the program--either cannot or will not. Can anyone answer how or
why a third party developer was able to come up with a far superior Roof
Object then the very creators of the program? If you can't do it all in one
release at least start with wood rafter residential roofs--anything would be
better then what we now have.
Roofs need to be able to have multiple plate heights, contain multiple
components (i.e. sheathing, decking, etc...) and instead of using a flat 2d
hatch to represent standing seam metal roofing how about a "style" that
actually shows the metal ribs "standing" in elevation view? roofs need to
fillet and cleanup with each other without having to resort to trims,
miters, and extends.
Slabs need to be able to be really used as monolithic foundations with grade
beams (internal and external) that can be snapped into place and configured
(like a clomn grid object) without having to resort to making mass objects
and then boolean subtracting them from the slab object. Slabs need to have
multiple components like walls.
A COMPLETE Structural system needs to be available. Where are steel Girts,
Purlins, etc....? NO MORE TRIM PLANES!!!!!!!! Structural objects should
fillet, trim, chamfer, etc.... like walls do.
I would love it if the ADT team would work on and totally COMPLETE just
one--I really mean just ONE--type of building object per release. What I
mean is this: In ADT 2007 just totally complete the Roof Objects--nothing
else--just roofs. This would give the team an entire year to study, test,
research, get advice from Architecs, engineers, manufacturers on the various
roof types and systems being used. Metal roof systems like Berridge, MBCI
could be consulted and integrated into the Roof Object System. "Flat" roof
decks that have multiple slopes to roof drains would be added. Residential
style roofs with closed cornices, plancher cuts, soffits, gutters would all
be easy to use, intuitive and ready to "go."
We are now (with ADT 2006) on the 8th official release of ADT. Each release
addresses just a little of the needs of all the various "Objects" (i.e.
Walls, Doors, Windows, Slabs, Roofs, Railings, Structures, etc....) The
carrot is always dangling for the "next release" to solve a problem or
enhance an Object Style. While I know that the following is an AutoCAD
thing I just don't get it that Autodesk pays someone to change the color or
image or position of an icon for a toolbar. Why would you waste your time
doing that? A simple example is the "Match Properties" toolbar icon that
changed from a wide "paint brush" to an "Xacto-Looking-thing." Why? We all
learned what the icon stood for and then it changes. Why did the AutoCAD
icon have to change from Red to Blue? No big deal but somebody had to do
it. Why not fire that person and just leave stupid little things like icons
alone and put the money you paid them into making the program what it can be
and what it should be befoer we all die of old age?
I think we -- the end users -- are going to have to face it: ADT, Revit or
whatever program replaces them will never be a complete fully functional
program that Architects, Engineers and other design professional can use as
a "tool" to create drawings from which real buildings are built. The reason
is simple: Any software company that does that will be out-of-business
because no one will need to upgrade every 12 months. Of course a really
creative group of people could create a software that really is complete and
then they could sell add-on modules that consist of libraries of Object
Styles for various manufacturers like U.S. Aluminum "Storefronts". You
could make a deal with the manufacturer to have their product available as
an add-on module for your Architectural Software and end users who need it
could buy it. You could always update your program for new Hardware and OS
releases. To borrow from the song "what a wonderful world it would be."
Dkuhn
[\quote]
Thank you,
Brad