Wall shading

[david@stearnsarchitecture]

I would like to see the layers of my new and existing wall assemblies in Medium/Fine detail view in plan while I am working on them, but switch to Coarse view before printing. In Coarse view, I would like new walls to be shaded grey in plan, and existing walls to be white.

If possible, I would like to avoid having 2 of each wall type, one shaded and one white.
I thought I had this worked out with the Phase overrides and Phase Materials, but it doesn't seem to work as I expect.

Thanks for any help,.

[iru69]

This does get a bit confusing because there are various overides, phases, wall properties, etc.

Try this:

Set your detail level to Coarse (I usually create two views of the same plan - one to work in and one for printing - you might try that if you don't want to constantly flip between medium/fine and coarse).

In the properties of your wall type, set the fill patter of the wall when Detail Level is set to Course. Choose a solid fill pattern and your choice of gray (or whatever color you want).

Select or create a new material, e.g. "Phase-Existing" and make sure that the Cut Pattern is blank (you could also use this to do an alternate color for existing walls if you wanted to).

Then, in Phases, use or create a phase that shows New by category but overides Existing. For the Existing overide, set the Material to the one selected above, e.g. "Phase-Existing".

I hope I didn't forget any steps, but maybe that's enough to get you on the right track.

Edit: Also, don't forget that in the Visibility settings, the Cut Overide Pattern will overide everything else - so uncheck that.

[blads]

I would like to see the layers of my new and existing wall assemblies in Medium/Fine detail view in plan while I am working on them, but switch to Coarse view before printing. In Coarse view, I would like new walls to be shaded grey in plan, and existing walls to be white.

If possible, I would like to avoid having 2 of each wall type, one shaded and one white.
I thought I had this worked out with the Phase overrides and Phase Materials, but it doesn't seem to work as I expect.

Thanks for any help,.
I think I got pipped at the post due to aussie posting lag:

Course view shading of walls is controlled by the "Type Properties" of wall - refer attached screenshot. When you change to medium/fine detail/view the "wall shading" reverts to the setting in "Materials" selection.

I usually create two wall types - 1 for new work, then other for existing (duplicate)
just remember to switch view types before printing

HTH

[david@stearnsarchitecture]

In the properties of your wall type, set the fill patter of the wall when Detail Level is set to Course. Choose a solid fill pattern and your choice of gray (or whatever color you want).

Select or create a new material, e.g. "Phase-Existing" and make sure that the Cut Pattern is blank (you could also use this to do an alternate color for existing walls if you wanted to).

Then, in Phases, use or create a phase that shows New by category but overides Existing. For the Existing overide, set the Material to the one selected above, e.g. "Phase-Existing".I did as you said, (using a new file with no template to clear any funny settings). I used Show All Filter which leaves the new walls as by category and overrides the existing as you suggested. Here is the result:

Construction floor plan view:
Phase: New Construction
Phase Filter: Show All
Result: New walls shaded, exist. walls white, as expected.

"As-built" plan view:
Phase: Existing
Phase Filter: Show All
Result: New walls invisible (as expected), exist walls shaded. Should be white!

I wonder if anyone can say why, being as both have the same filter.

[Steve_Stafford]

David,

Does the attached project behave as you wish? May be missing something but I think it does...

From your description it does...but your specifics don't...

If you list the phases in order...Existing>New Construction>As Built you wouldn't use a phase setting of Existing to show the as-built conditions. The existing structure should be assigned to Existing, new work to New Construction. Then when you assign a view to the As-Built phase, new construction is the previous and therefore now the "existing" phase.

[david@stearnsarchitecture]

Sorry, when I wrote "As-Built" I meant what you get BEFORE starting the remodel job (not at the end); I should have said "existing" floor plan, wherein I would like white walls.

You email to me explained why the walls were shaded:
"When a view is set to phase Existing everything created in that
phase is shown and treated as NEW. Only when these objects are shown in a
future phase are they treated as EXISTING."

I have found a way to get this to look right: In the Existing View, I set a white Cut Pattern in VG/Override Model Pattern.

Here is a bigger problem: The line weights for the door panels and swings are too heavy - both the Object Styles and VG overrides are trumped by the phase filter overrides. Where I am just trying to use the Phase override to change the cut pattern of walls, it overrides the line work of ALL objects? The problem is there is no "By Category" setting under the line weight/pattern overrides so the linework can't be left alone, all objects are forced into one line weight for the view. Maybe I am back to having two wall types with different cut patterns and not using phase overrides? Too bad.