TEXT VISIBILITY

[cdunfield]

HOW CAN I TURN THE VISIBILITY OF SOME TEXT ON WHILE HAVING OTHER TEXT REMAIN VISIBLE?

[cosmickingpin]

No, I have been asking for this since version 4.5. I know exactly why you want to do this and it can't be done. Wish there was a way. BTW... I think you mean have some text turned off and other text remain visible. Why the Caps? Are you cyber-yelling?


HOW CAN I TURN THE VISIBILITY OF SOME TEXT ON WHILE HAVING OTHER TEXT REMAIN VISIBLE?

[bowlingbrad]

Just change it to the non-plotting object style....OOPS, that hasn't been invented yet :banghead:

[Paul Monsef]

HOW CAN I TURN THE VISIBILITY OF SOME TEXT ON WHILE HAVING OTHER TEXT REMAIN VISIBLE?
If it's really really important to you, just create a new text style and change the text color to white whenever you don't wanna see it.

[cosmickingpin]

tried it, doesn't work, it still prints. Been on the phone with tech support, worked it through from every possible angle, no way to do it, unless you type it in a dwg, import it and turn the dwg off, but that is kinda useless.


If it's really really important to you, just create a new text style and change the text color to white whenever you don't wanna see it.

[Kroke]

lol :
http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=27381

[iru69]

This topic was posted as a wish (http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=27381) just a few days ago.

[david.kingham]

tried it, doesn't work, it still prints. Been on the phone with tech support, worked it through from every possible angle, no way to do it, unless you type it in a dwg, import it and turn the dwg off, but that is kinda useless.
Instead of using pure white 255,255,255 use 254,255,255 and it just barely prints (have to look pretty close) thats the best solution I can come up with.......

[Paul Monsef]

tried it, doesn't work, it still prints. Been on the phone with tech support, worked it through from every possible angle, no way to do it, unless you type it in a dwg, import it and turn the dwg off, but that is kinda useless.
EDIT: ya, what David said!

[cdunfield]

HOW CAN I TURN THE VISIBILITY OF SOME TEXT ON WHILE HAVING OTHER TEXT REMAIN VISIBLE?

yes, I want to turn some text ON and some text OFF. it makes no sense that there is no such option.

[Shaun v Rooyen]

HOW CAN I TURN THE VISIBILITY OF SOME TEXT ON WHILE HAVING OTHER TEXT REMAIN VISIBLE?

Here's the work around. We create Generic Annotation Families. (as supplied in the project file).
Together with normal text, we can have some on or some off.
The generic text note is also editable from within the project, and has two visibility options. One thru' VG "Generic Annotations" and the other is an instance visibility Parameter. which will switch only that box off. When it's off it also doesn't print

[gbrowne]

Forgive me if I am missing the point here, I know its not what your asking, but:

Why don't you create 2 views, one with all the text, one without?

This will give you a record of whatever went out, no?

[bowlingbrad]

Here's the work around. We create Generic Annotation Families. (as supplied in the project file).
Together with normal text, we can have some on or some off.
The generic text note is also editable from within the project, and has two visibility options. One thru' VG "Generic Annotations" and the other is an instance visibility Parameter. which will switch only that box off. When it's off it also doesn't print
PITA!
Sorry Zeds, but I wouldn't call that a workaround. I would call it a valiant attempt. Hopefully the Factory will include something this simple very soon.

My favorite example of needing this is an 'internal clarification' note. Say you get a fax of a property line. You scan it in and trace your property lines over it. You then can get an area of your site. IT IS SOLELY BASED ON A FAX!!! You need to be able to tell whomever opens the file that this is bogus information. Place a non-plotting note describing the issue. When it gets fixed, just change the note. This is just one simple example. There are many more.

We're dying for this......

[Shaun v Rooyen]

PITA!
Sorry Zeds, but I wouldn't call that a workaround. I would call it a valiant attempt. Hopefully the Factory will include something this simple very soon.

....... This is just one simple example. There are many more.

We're dying for this......

Brad I totally agree. I keep going back to the fact that we need to be able to CREATE SUBCATAGORIES OF SYSTEM FAMILIES. This will sort out all the mess.

But for now and since the begining, that's how we have dealt with the problem.

[sbrown]

I've never had to do this on a view/sheet that gets printed, I can see how it would be useful. In the meantime, I have a suggestion. I typically work in views I call working first floor, working site, etc. etc, Can you just create a note style with Red letters that you note these plans up for your co-workers, and keep you printed views clean. The great thing about working views is you can have all kinds of notes to yourself and stuff on that you don't want to actually show the client. I hope this helps until you get your wish. I agree with ZEDS that we need to be able to create subcategories for all sys. families, integral wall sweeps being on the top of my list.

[bowlingbrad]

Scott,
This is how we do it here too. We put a "W-" in front of a view name to designate it as a 'working' view. We all know that these views are not to be placed on sheets. It works for schedules, elevations, drafting views, etc. It still would be nice, when annotating the plotted views, to have reminder notes and things. Sub-system families are a necessity!

[cosmickingpin]

But I think I have the best reason of all for Revit to allow this. "You can do it in Autocad, no problem" there are no workarounds. Sometimes I like to have "progress notes" a on sheet running list of outstanding design issues and they get deleted as the problem is resolved in the design process. A lot of firms work this way in Autocad.



Scott,
This is how we do it here too. We put a "W-" in front of a view name to designate it as a 'working' view. We all know that these views are not to be placed on sheets. It works for schedules, elevations, drafting views, etc. It still would be nice, when annotating the plotted views, to have reminder notes and things. Sub-system families are a necessity!

[david.kingham]

You're not going to like this but I'm going to have to disagree. The thing I love about revit is what you see is what you get on the final print, I don't want my sheets cluttered up with notes to other people, like Scott said that's what the working drawings are for, no text except for those notes.

[iru69]

It seems like there are two issues here...

One is being able to turn the visibility of text objects (and I'd include all annotation type objects along with that) "on" and "off" on a per oject basis.

Two is being able to keep the visibility of text objects "on" but not print them on an a per object basis.

Everyone has their reasons for wanting to do either or both, sometimes for the same reasons, sometimes not. I don't see what harm there is in having the option for both.

[cosmickingpin]

well I think the issue is to be able to control the printability (not visibility) of individual text types. For example I have a text type called "non-print text" and in that type I keep a running list of design issues


It seems like there are two issues here...

One is being able to turn the visibility of text objects (and I'd include all annotation type objects along with that) "on" and "off" on a per oject basis.

Two is being able to keep the visibility of text objects "on" but not print them on an a per object basis.

Everyone has their reasons for wanting to do either or both, sometimes for the same reasons, sometimes not. I don't see what harm there is in having the option for both.

[archjake]

I see non-printable text being a problem unless we could tell immediately that it was not going to print. I'm sure that this could cause problems.

As well, I am a firm believer that 2 views is what you're looking for. I have never had a case where another view wouldn't solve this.

Sorry, but I don't see the problem.

[cosmickingpin]

right, so you would make it a red color or an unusual font. Not every firm does this, not every architect works like this but some do, so of course some of you will not need or want this, nobody ever said that every single architect does this, just that some do. I guess some of us are of the opinion that if autocad can do it then Revit ought to be able to do it better ion general principle.


I see non-printable text being a problem unless we could tell immediately that it was not going to print. I'm sure that this could cause problems.

As well, I am a firm believer that 2 views is what you're looking for. I have never had a case where another view wouldn't solve this.

Sorry, but I don't see the problem.

[david.kingham]

Thing is I don't even want this to be an option, I know I know it comes down to office policies but some people will still do it despite what you tell them. I want my sheets clean, just as they will plot with not option to screw that up.

[cosmickingpin]

So for your office, then you would make it a policy not to use this feature, have it in worksets, have that project workset permently checked out, just like you would with a lot of other features like dimension tolerances, and line weights. By your logic, nobody should be able to adjust line weIghts because somebody could screw that by adjusting the weights of your lines, or dimension tolerances, line styles, etc... No that's crazy. that's like telling me I can't have a swiming pool cause your kid might come over and drown.


Thing is I don't even want this to be an option, I know I know it comes down to office policies but some people will still do it despite what you tell them. I want my sheets clean, just as they will plot with not option to screw that up.

[david.kingham]

I would love to have all those settings locked down so only I could change them...hmm wishlist lol

If I could somehow make it inaccesible to my users then I wouldn't mind. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't have the option to have non printing notes. But I do not believe my logic is flawed, most will agree (along with the developers) that there should not be notes that do not print on sheets, they should be in working drawings or redlined dwfs.

Hopefully the factory can find a way to make us both happy :D :D :D

[bbeck]

I've not tried this directly but see if this works for you.....Make a workset named EDITOR NOTES. Any text that is internal to the office goes in this workset. Turn off this workset in your sheet views. I use a similar process to make just the exterior doors of our buildings visible on our site plans. Sure, it takes some coordination within your office but isn't that part of what we do? communicate via drawings with other people.

Brian Beck
CAD Manager
Rainforth Grau Architects

[cosmickingpin]

I agree that locking of project settings under worksets is clunky at best, but I thnk that would entail a high degree of customization, and perhpas a task for API developers. If the printability of text was associated with text type, then it would be a simple task of controlling standard text types through the locking of worksets by a power user. Besides working within worksets, perhaps there could be more catagories under project standards for easier grouping.

I do agree with you about eliminating excuses on the part of employees, and I can see where this would perhaps lead to embarassing situations both within and without the office setting. Now that I think about it i think you are right that the potential for damage should be properly offset with improved controls. In large office settings the potential and temptation for chaos is sometimes irresistable. Even with Acad there are sometimes texts that are inner office jokes on nonplot layers, and that can be outright dangerous, especially when nobody can point a finger. I think for the public interest of safety and orderly conduct the world is. It is frustrating for me when a project manager hands me a set of meeting notes and he wants them on the floor plans on a nonplot layer, and I tell him (or her) I can't do that and I hear "well you can do it in AutoCad, maybe we should do this project in Autocad then." that is the source of my frustration- not the text visibilty option itself. On pinciple I think Revit should out do AutoCad every chance it gets though.


I would love to have all those settings locked down so only I could change them...hmm wishlist lol

If I could somehow make it inaccesible to my users then I wouldn't mind. I'm not trying to say you shouldn't have the option to have non printing notes. But I do not believe my logic is flawed, most will agree (along with the developers) that there should not be notes that do not print on sheets, they should be in working drawings or redlined dwfs.

Hopefully the factory can find a way to make us both happy :D :D :D

[cosmickingpin]

no doesn't work,
text are contained on the view specific worksets.


I've not tried this directly but see if this works for you.....Make a workset named EDITOR NOTES. Any text that is internal to the office goes in this workset. Turn off this workset in your sheet views. I use a similar process to make just the exterior doors of our buildings visible on our site plans. Sure, it takes some coordination within your office but isn't that part of what we do? communicate via drawings with other people.

Brian Beck
CAD Manager
Rainforth Grau Architects

[david.kingham]

It is frustrating for me when a project manager hands me a set of meeting notes and he wants them on the floor plans on a nonplot layer, and I tell him (or her) I can't do that and I hear "well you can do it in AutoCad, maybe we should do this project in Autocad then." that is the source of my frustration- not the text visibilty option itself. On pinciple I think Revit should out do AutoCad every chance it gets though.

Couldn't you easily achieve this in a working drawing or with dwf composer? I think the existing tools work fine, just need a slight change in thinking

[cosmickingpin]

Yeah that might be a good interium solution, for that matter the idea of imported dwgs would work too, but what I really need is for my company to issue me a sock and two rolls of coins to be used on projects managers (who hardly even know how to use autocad for that matter) when they say annoying things. That would make me happier.
Perhaps you could make use of the sock full of coins in you office as well? (its what they used on the five year old who sewed my clothes together in Asia)


Couldn't you easily achieve this in a working drawing or with dwf composer? I think the existing tools work fine, just need a slight change in thinking

[david.kingham]

LMFAO I've had the need for that many many times, I've learned to ignore the stupid acad comments.

I've been thinking about the 'working views'...while this works good for floor plans it doesn't work worth a ***** for elevations/sections...using dwf composer is looking like the best option, then linking the dwf back into revit. I assume you have tried this? Think we'll just bite the bullet and get composer for everyone

[cosmickingpin]

We laugh but there might be good money in this, imagine it. A feature that automatically inflicts pain on any user attempting to override office standards, they probably are already using it in "OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD".

***Edited at the request of the Chinese embassy- Don't mess with China!***


LMFAO I've had the need for that many many times, I've learned to ignore the stupid acad comments.

I've been thinking about the 'working views'...while this works good for floor plans it doesn't work worth a ***** for elevations/sections...using dwf composer is looking like the best option, then linking the dwf back into revit. I assume you have tried this? Think we'll just bite the bullet and get composer for everyone

[DaveP]

Maybe I should go back to my Can-O-Worms avatar. Since I changed it, I didn't get any response to this post http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=27205&highlight=user+notes Basically the same issue.

I'm creating a Detail Library & want to add User Notes - "Draw building Structure here", "Complete according to Frame Type", "Change Elevation here" stuff like that.
I can't use Worksets since the views are intended to be Cut & Pasted into a real project.
Ditto Views - These are already Detail Views
Ditto Scope boxes.

[david.kingham]

Maybe the text could show up in the view (in red) but would not be visible when placed on a sheet

[captainbunsaver]

Autodesk Inventor has a "notebook" function that is what you are looking for, I think. Maybe that can be put on the wishlist and included with Revit 9?

TC

[Rols]

Why couldn't we use a symbol rather than text? I'm thinking the visibility control is easier with symbols and you can alter the appearance of the note all you want without affecting text. I've just started experimenting with it. The problem I have is how to control the yes/no parameter on a project-wide scale.

[bowlingbrad]

How about a simple instance parameter for ANY type of text. Just check the 'no plot' checkbox and the text turns grey and won't plot.

There we go. Two sentences. One great addition to Revit.