Vertical Compound Wall

[beboyle]

I have defined some details on this brick wall. Continuous stucco sill element, then one course of brick protruding from the wall, then a soldier course. In the attached picture, the soldier course shows up on the end of the adjacent wall, even though it is a different wall type, but does not show on the face of the wall being edited (to the left of the soldier course circled). I have selected brick soldier course as the material, and made sure the hatch pattern (model) is correct. Now I'm at a loss.

TIA,
Brian

http://www.zoogdesign.com/forums/phpBB2/download.php?id=1636

[beegee]

Are the two abutting walls joined ?
If so, pull apart and set wall junction to "do not join". Does that make a difference ?

[beboyle]

Beegee,
I'm not sure if I know what you mean:


If so, pull apart and set wall junction to "do not join".

I used the "unjoin geometry" button to make sure they are not joined, still does not show correctly.

The weird thing is that the same wall type in the rear of the buiding displays properly, see attachment.

Brian

[beegee]

Select the wall, you will see a blue dot defining the end point, slide this dot back and the two walls will unjoin.
Now select the "Edit wall joins" tool from the Tools menu and place a box over the junction of the two walls, now select "do not join" and then exit that with OK and see if that has fixed the problem.

[beboyle]

beegee,

That didn't work. I'm curious why it shows correct on the rear wall of the building (same type), and not the wall on which I did the editing.

Love having Aussie users, you always respond during my odd working hours. (I am "studying" during off hours) Thanks for that.

Brian

[beegee]

Can you put a copy of the wall type on a clean blank file and post that for us to look at ?

You could also check all the settings between the two walls - correct and faulty - to see if anything jumps out at you.

[beboyle]

OK so I copied it and pasted into this file. It exhibits the same behavior, soldier course on south, none on north.

Thanks for checking it out.

Brian

[Joef]

I am far from an expert with Revit, but I thought I'd have a look at your file. It behaves very oddly. If you flip the wall the soldier course appears on the inside. Flip it back and it is gone. If you draw a new wall and replace the problem wall it looks fine. It is just that particular instance of the wall that behaves badly. It is pretty easy to fix, but to explain the behaviour is not so easy.

[beegee]

Hi Brian,

Is this the look you're after ? or do you want the sweeps to continue right up to the end of the joined wall type ?

http://www.zoogdesign.com/forums/phpBB2/download.php?id=1652

[Joef]

Just my .02 cents here. I don't post too often as I don't usually know enough to add anything. If my comments are not helpful I'll go back to lurking.

I added a new wall(of the same type) next to the existing wall. (see image) I think the question is: why doesn't the soldier course appear in the existing wall?

http://www.zoogdesign.com/forums/phpBB2/download.php?id=1653

[beboyle]

Beegee,

The detail does need to continue over the end of the side wall. This is an existing row house in NYC.
Do you think as commented by Joef that maybe the wall type got "twitched out" and maybe I should try by defining a new type? :?

Joef,

Although a nice look, see above. And being new muyself, all comments help. Thanks for taking the time.

Brian

[PeterJ]

I have no idea why this behaviour occurs, but if you delete and redraw it, it goes away. I have sometimes found that individual items get corrupted and exhibit unusual and incorrect behaviour that one cannot reproduce when redrawn, perhaps this is one of those.

[tamas]

Here is what is going on in this wall:

The original side face of the wall with sweeps has been painted with the paint tool to brick material. This is why all the split portions still show brick pattern.

(This may have happened before this wall was flipped. The opposite side was painted and flipping does not move the paint to the other side.)

Now as to why the end face of the joined wall shows that bit of soldier course pattern:
This is the behavior of butt joined walls. The exposed end face takes on the material of the side face of the joined wall. (Try to select the walls in 3D in shaded view to see where are the faces, or use the Hide/Isolate tool to isolate one wall.)

Currently only the original sideface materials propagate to the exposed end face. Probably it would be reasonable that if the side was painted, the endface would use the painted material as well.

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A number of ways to resolve the problem:

- Use paint tool and paint the soldier course piece to something more desired.

- Use the paint tool and paint the side of the wall to "By Default" to remove the forced brick pattern. (You need to tab to select the whole side face, not just a region of it.)

- Change wall join to miter type. (This removes the "exposed" end face.)

[beboyle]

Thanks Tamas,

I'll figure out which of those works best for the model that this came from.

Brian