ADT Standards

[BCrouse]

Summary: The ability to the option to have something similar to the Project Standards

Description: Right now you can only use the ADT Project Standards if you are using the Project Navigator. But this option would allow user that are not using the Project Navigator to utilize the same ability to use the Standards as the Project Standards.

How Used: I would use this option to make sure that the correct styles and style set up is correct when being used.

Feature Affinity: ADT Standards

Submitted By: Brad Crouse on December 7, 2005

[david_peterson]

Would this act like as part of the standard checker? Or do you have some other idea for it? I would suggest that this becomes apart the standard checker that already exists in ADT. (under the CAD Manager Pulldown) I do like the idea of having styles and displays added to the standard checker. You can always start with the correct standard template, but you can always change it. I think it would be great to run a project or drawing through the standard checker when you run into problem so you can figure out what was changed and (more importantly) who changed it.

[BCrouse]

Would this act like as part of the standard checker? Or do you have some other idea for it? I would suggest that this becomes apart the standard checker that already exists in ADT. (under the CAD Manager Pulldown) I do like the idea of having styles and displays added to the standard checker. You can always start with the correct standard template, but you can always change it. I think it would be great to run a project or drawing through the standard checker when you run into problem so you can figure out what was changed and (more importantly) who changed it.
This would act the same way that the as the AEC Project Standards except you will have an option to run it with the Project Navigator or with out. Right now we are not using the Project Navigator for our projects. So, by having this ability would help CAD Managers to set standards for the styles for projects with out the use of the Project Navigator.

Right now I am running ADT 2005 and I can not find it. Dave, are you running ADT 2006? I was in the class at AU that was teaching Autodesk Architectural Desktop Project Standards - Your Secret Weapon and this is where I got this idea.

Thank you,

Brad

[david_peterson]

Ok we are talking about 2 different things.
Under the CAD Manager Menu in ADT2005 (you may need to go to window/pulldowns/cad manager to make it visible) there is side bar for check, configure, and layer translator. I'm not sure if this is a part of the typical install or the full custom. But that's where I would love to see the ability to check for standard styles against a template. Typically (in vanilla Acad) you set up a drawing with the correct layers, dimstyle, lines types and text styles. I'd like to see an ADT standard checker that looks at plot styles, wall styles, display setting and rest. The standard checker then lets you know what doesn't meet the standard. Because I don't think you can lock down the "copy and assign new style" option, you can always create something that's not "standard". So I'd rather be able to check what doesn't fit at the end of a project (or when someone say "This doesn't plot right") be able to find the guilty party/style. You can always give someone the correct styles to start with, but you can also modify them so.....You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
I guess I haven't played much with the project standards (which will get someone started in the right direction) but unless you re-write the right click options and take away the modify portions, or remove the command, people can still deviate from the standard.
I'm using ADT2005 with project Navigator with project standards, but I thought that's all they were doing was pulling from a project template, which means you can still change them.
Just my thought, let me know what you think.

[BCrouse]

Ok we are talking about 2 different things.
Under the CAD Manager Menu in ADT2005 (you may need to go to window/pulldowns/cad manager to make it visible) there is side bar for check, configure, and layer translator. I'm not sure if this is a part of the typical install or the full custom. But that's where I would love to see the ability to check for standard styles against a template. Typically (in vanilla Acad) you set up a drawing with the correct layers, dimstyle, lines types and text styles. I'd like to see an ADT standard checker that looks at plot styles, wall styles, display setting and rest. The standard checker then lets you know what doesn't meet the standard. Because I don't think you can lock down the "copy and assign new style" option, you can always create something that's not "standard". So I'd rather be able to check what doesn't fit at the end of a project (or when someone say "This doesn't plot right") be able to find the guilty party/style. You can always give someone the correct styles to start with, but you can also modify them so.....You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
I guess I haven't played much with the project standards (which will get someone started in the right direction) but unless you re-write the right click options and take away the modify portions, or remove the command, people can still deviate from the standard.
I'm using ADT2005 with project Navigator with project standards, but I thought that's all they were doing was pulling from a project template, which means you can still change them.
Just my thought, let me know what you think.

From what I see we are talking about the same thing. By having the ability to do what you and I envision.

[Steve_Bennett]

Using Project standards is only available if you use Project Navigator in 2006. This is separate from the AutoCAD standards which check dimstyles, textstyles & such. I agree, it would be nice to use project standards without PN, but how would you tell it to handle the orginization of the project files?

[BCrouse]

Using Project standards is only available if you use Project Navigator in 2006. This is separate from the AutoCAD standards which check dimstyles, textstyles & such. I agree, it would be nice to use project standards without PN, but how would you tell it to handle the orginization of the project files?
Right now you have the standards check in the vanilla AutoCAD. What you run the Architectural Desktop, you will get a upgraded Standards Checker.

Eample:

Vanilla AutoCAD checks dimstyles, textstyles, linetypes and etc.....

When you run Architectural Desktop it will check all the dimstyles, textstyles, linetypes and etc..... But then you will be anble to check all the plot styles, wall styles, display setting, materials and etc. So we take the ability of the PN Standards Checker and us it to exapnd the Vanilla AutoCAD Standard Checker to create Architectural Desktop Standard Checker. So now users who use the PN will have the option to use the PN Standard Checker on projects and the Non-PN users will have the option to use the Architectural Desktop Standard Checker which is the Vanilla AutoCAD Standard Checker on Steriods.

Thank you,

Brad

[david_peterson]

When you run Architectural Desktop it will check all the dimstyles, textstyles, linetypes and etc..... But then you will be anble to check all the plot styles, wall styles, display setting, materials and etc. So we take the ability of the PN Standards Checker and us it to exapnd the Vanilla AutoCAD Standard Checker to create Architectural Desktop Standard Checker. So now users who use the PN will have the option to use the PN Standard Checker on projects and the Non-PN users will have the option to use the Architectural Desktop Standard Checker which is the Vanilla AutoCAD Standard Checker on Steriods.

Thank you,

BradThat would be simply fantastic.

[Steve_Bennett]

So now users who use the PN will have the option to use the PN Standard Checker on projects and the Non-PN users will have the option to use the Architectural Desktop Standard Checker which is the Vanilla AutoCAD Standard Checker on Steriods.

Right. Now how would you describe the interface with which this will be accomplished? Currently the reason the "Project Standards" work is because it can look at all the drawings involved in PN & check them for compliancy. Would you want to be able to grab something at the directory level & tell it to batch check anything below that project directory? That would make the most sense to me. It should be relatively easy to do also.

[BCrouse]

So now users who use the PN will have the option to use the PN Standard Checker on projects and the Non-PN users will have the option to use the Architectural Desktop Standard Checker which is the Vanilla AutoCAD Standard Checker on Steriods.




Right. Now how would you describe the interface with which this will be accomplished? Currently the reason the "Project Standards" work is because it can look at all the drawings involved in PN & check them for compliancy. Would you want to be able to grab something at the directory level & tell it to batch check anything below that project directory? That would make the most sense to me. It should be relatively easy to do also.

You do this is the way you would set up the Vanilla AutoCAD Standard Checker to check dim styles, text styles, line types and etc.....within the dws files. So within the .dws files, you would set up everything else like the plot styles, wall styles, display setting, materials and etc. You would basically go through the steps similarly to the way that you would set up the PN Standards Checker.

[Steve_Bennett]

You do this is the way you would set up the Vanilla AutoCAD Standard Checker to check dim styles, text styles, line types and etc.....within the dws files. So within the .dws files, you would set up everything else like the plot styles, wall styles, display setting, materials and etc. You would basically go through the steps similarly to the way that you would set up the PN Standards Checker.

That's sounds great! Good idea & congrats too on having one of your wishes grab the #1 spot at the AUGI meeting. Maybe this will be another!

[BCrouse]

That's sounds great! Good idea & congrats too on having one of your wishes grab the #1 spot at the AUGI meeting. Maybe this will be another!
Steve,

I always strive to think out of the box! That way I can try to cover what would help CAD users to be more productive and enjoy using the software. I would like to thank you and Dave for helping to build off of this wish.

Thank you for the compliment.

Thank you,

Brad

[devilfrog]

Description: The standards checker would have the capability to check more than it does now. Example: In ADT 2005 it does not check the layer states of drawings x-ref'd into the drawing being checked.

How Used: This would allow a more complete check of the drawing, instead of having to manually check the items left out

Feature Affinity: Check Standards Utility

Carry on....

[BCrouse]

Description: The standards checker would have the capability to check more than it does now. Example: In ADT 2005 it does not check the layer states of drawings x-ref'd into the drawing being checked.

How Used: This would allow a more complete check of the drawing, instead of having to manually check the items left out

Feature Affinity: Check Standards Utility

Carry on....Wouldn't this go with this thread ADT Standards (http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=30197) ( http://forums.augi.com/images/misc/multipage.gif 1 (http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=30197&page=1) 2 (http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=30197&page=2) )?

Thank you,

Brad

[Steve_Bennett]

Please note I have merged the thread "RE: I wish......." with the thread "ADT Standards" since the wish can be easily made part of this one. It should be part of the same function for checking standards.