HELP!!!! Doors and Windows Disappear

[tc3dcad60731]

I have only been using Revit for 9+ months now and have had no major issues to date! I also took alot of Revit classes at AU this year and learned how to do a lot more with the program.

My problem is that I have an appointment Monday to show 3 conceptual models of a deck addition and garage remodel. I placed the windows and doors in the house wall and all is fine until i placed the new deck and steps. Once I did this the doors and windows disappear except for the tags. What is going on? I tried undoing and that did not help. The only that works is to re-place the doors and windows into the model. This is not right!!! I did check vis states to see if they had been alterred and all was right there.

Somebody please help me!!!

[Tom Dorner]

Hard to know without more info....

Are you using design options?

What about phases?

How are you modeling the deck?

Can you purge and post the file or a snippet of it?

Tom

[kpaxton]

OK - calm down sir... On-Revitstar is here to help. We know the feelings that this can cause.

First things first - IF you're on subscription, contact the Help desk and describe your problem in detail, including the steps you took to creating the issue.

Until then, there is more information you need to provide for us to help, otherwise it's conjecture on our part. I'll guess until we get it right. Sometimes there is quirky behavior due to 'bad' families or things that are just a little off. Are you sure about your door and window families... they flex properly, etc?

The first thing that comes to my mind as you describe this is that you might be using Design Options to show your different schemes. You mention you've checked Vis Graphics, but you didn't mention if you checked to see if the correct Design Option is picked for that view. IF they're not, then they will disappear when you finish editing that option.

IF this is an addition to an existing building.. are you using Phasing? IF you are, you might have checked Vis Graphics, but did you check which Phasing options are being displayed? This can also have a big effect of what is showing up or not. If read a few posts where people have put a window in a wall while in the new phase, but the view is set to show only existing. Surprise - the window didn't show up.

IF it's not that... then wow. I guess I'd have to ask what you're using for your decks, your railings, etc. It might be beneficial to post file if it's small, or a portion of it so that we might pick it apart.

Let us know - we'll try to help.
Kyle

Oooohhh - forgot to ask.. Can you see the windows and doors in 3-D view? if so... view range.. if not... Design Options.. or best bet... Phasing...

[Tom Dorner]

If I was a betting man...which I am (look at my avatar) I'm going to give phasing the best odds at 4-5 and design options a 1-1.

Since the tags are still visable and they are view specific my first bet is that your doors and windows are in an existing phase and your view phase filter is set to show only new rather than previous plus new.

Design options as Kyle mentioned are a likely cause as well.

Tom

[SkiSouth]

One other option is view range. If you changed your view range - say to see the deck more clearly for some reason, your doors/windows could be out of the range. Be sure the view range (under the view properties - you'll have to scroll to the bottom to find it) is set to cut the doors and windows on the level you are concerned with - usually 4'-0" above the level. Then be sure that under the view properties, that doors and windows are selected to be shown. Finally, be sure that the view range has the height above the doors and windows, then select the bottom as unlimited... Of course all this is on the same plan view. Also, I assume that you are in plan mode and not a reflected ceiling view of the floor. (I've done it before) - wouldn't solve all of your symtoms, but worth a look.

Last suggestion (do this first) change your view from hidden line to wireframe and see if the doors and windows are still there. If so, check your view range..

[tc3dcad60731]

OK, I know for a fact that I did not use the design options on this file. I did set phase states on a couple of the garage walls and then was like why am i doing this when I just need to show a conceptual 3d model to spin around.....Did go back just now and checked and the doors and wall are on the same phase which is new construction.

Here is the file as it is in the meager beginning state!

Thanks

PS - you can e-mail me directly at tncan04@bellsouth.net

[tc3dcad60731]

I have tried several times and i can not get the file to attach.

[Rols]

OK - calm down sir... On-Revitstar is here to help.

Ha!! On-Revitstar! Kyle, you slay me!
You should pass that on to the factory folks. Perhaps we can get a On-Revitstar icon added to the standard toolbar.

As for the missing door. The fact that the tag remained makes me lean towards phasing or design options.
Here's a little test for you. If the tag is still there, then the door should still be in the schedule. You can go to the schedule, select the door, and then select "Show", and see where Revit takes you. It should take you to some view where the door still appears.
It doesn't fix it yet, but it hopefully will get us some more info.
Cheers,
Rolly

[bowlingbrad]

New avatar for Kyle...

[tc3dcad60731]

I appreciate all of the help so far and have to admit that I did not submit much information to start. I had a meeting to run to and then came back to mess around with it some more. Regardless it was a very late night.

Phasing was not the case nor was design options. I have to admit that I have not gotten that far with design options. We still do seperate models for the different options.

#1 I had the wrong wall style picked. It was a stacked wall but not all on wood stud. It is Brick on CMU for 32" and then wood siding on wood stud for 8'.

#2 The windows and doors would show at a max of 3'-10" from grade to get them even with the decking but when moved to 4' to get 2" above decking it would dissappear from the plan view.

#3 The use of elevation tags as versus offsetting all from the Grade elevation seems to be helping some with the visibility of various items too.

#4 I love the On-RevitStar!

I have to go for now and will see if I can post some part of it later this afternoon or this evening.

[tc3dcad60731]

Thanks SkiSouth for the view range tip! That worked great when modified to be moved up some.

[SkiSouth]

That worked great when modified to be moved up some.
Glad to help. Keep on calling OnRevitstar :cool: