Transparent Furniture

[craighowie]

Hi there

I am currently having a bit of a problem with some of my furniture in plan! Some furniture appears to be transparent and other furniture not? I would like the chair (Attached) for example to cover the floor pattern as I don’t want to see the floor pattern through my chair! Why is the chair transparent and the table not? I assume I need to edit the furniture family some how by adding some sort of ‘patch’! Any one got some advice for me…

Thanks
Craig Howie
South Africa

[ejburrell67787]

I'd guess that the chairs have a 2d representation visible in plan and the 3d geometry hidden (or there is no 3d geometry only 2d representation?). If you open the family and select the 3d geometry, you can set it to be visible in plan also, save the family and reload it into your project.

[PeterJ]

The most likely explanation is that you are using a table family that has 3D elements in it and a chait family that is just 2D - unless you get clever the 2D family will not mask the floor.

You can find out how to become more clever here: http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=3184&highlight=lightweight+family

[craighowie]

Thanks alot for the speedy replies

[Elmo]

Hi there Craig could you possibly post the family, so we can have look at it and see what needs to be to be done.

[kpaxton]

Oh - this is an easy one..... [SEE IMAGE]

This is just as Elrond says, a matter of what is 'on' in the families view. As this is a part of 3D geometry, as opposed to just an annotation or graphic, you have to control what shows and what doesn't in each view.

Edit the family
Select the extrusion (or other geometry)
Click on Visibility
Check PLAN/RCP
Save family
Reload into Project.

Unfortunately I cannot find that there's a way of having Filled Regions in these families. One would think if I could have symbolic lines, I could have symbolic filled regions. One could make a Detail Component I suppose, but then that seems like a lot of work.

IF your chair family is only 2d.. you could create a very, very thin extrusion that is only visible in plan to help obscure what is below. You just need to make sure it's 'below' your table top height..

Does this help?
Kyle

[sbrown]

Here is what I do for furniture. I create a object style called whiteout, I create a solid in the shape of my furn. piece place it on that object style so I can turn it on and off as require. See attached. Basically we just took all our old acad blocks and made them like this.

[ejburrell67787]

Unfortunately I cannot find that there's a way of having Filled Regions in these families. One would think if I could have symbolic lines, I could have symbolic filled regions. One could make a Detail Component I suppose, but then that seems like a lot of work.I think that you have to nest a detail companent in the family from reading a post of Aaron's.

[aaronrumple]

You do. It works well.

[rgrace]

Hello all,

I have been using the filled-region-in-each-view strategy to build furniture families, and it works wonderfully for masking floor fill patterns. I am wondering though if the project does not recognize which plane the filled region belongs on when the family is loaded into a project? The reason I ask is that chairs with filled regions in plan appear on top of a table instead of below it. THe chair filled region is covering the table's filled region. I have checked that the filled regions are placed on the appropriate reference plane (vertiacally) in each family. This is happening with all of the chairs that include filled regions, and not the chairs without.

Interestingly, when I load the chair family into the table family, it appears correctly.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

[ron.sanpedro]

Hello all,

I have been using the filled-region-in-each-view strategy to build furniture families, and it works wonderfully for masking floor fill patterns. I am wondering though if the project does not recognize which plane the filled region belongs on when the family is loaded into a project? The reason I ask is that chairs with filled regions in plan appear on top of a table instead of below it. THe chair filled region is covering the table's filled region. I have checked that the filled regions are placed on the appropriate reference plane (vertiacally) in each family. This is happening with all of the chairs that include filled regions, and not the chairs without.

Interestingly, when I load the chair family into the table family, it appears correctly.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

Was the table placed first? Revit really has no Draw Order concept, and uses order of placement instead. So a chair placed after a table is on top of the table. Though the reference plane issue seems like a bug.

Gordon

[aaronrumple]

Hello all,

I have been using the filled-region-in-each-view strategy to build furniture families, and it works wonderfully for masking floor fill patterns. I am wondering though if the project does not recognize which plane the filled region belongs on when the family is loaded into a project? The reason I ask is that chairs with filled regions in plan appear on top of a table instead of below it. THe chair filled region is covering the table's filled region. I have checked that the filled regions are placed on the appropriate reference plane (vertiacally) in each family. This is happening with all of the chairs that include filled regions, and not the chairs without.

Interestingly, when I load the chair family into the table family, it appears correctly.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
You need some 3D element to define the height. I use an invisible vertical model line. See this thread: http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=3184&highlight=ultra+lightweight

There will be improvements in this with 2008.

[aaronrumple]

Was the table placed first? Revit really has no Draw Order concept, and uses order of placement instead. So a chair placed after a table is on top of the table. Though the reference plane issue seems like a bug.

Gordon
Order of placement doesn't affect 3D objects - even 3D objects with 2D elements such as filled regions. The 3D extents controls what hides what - even the filled regions. It does affect 2D drafting items, but those do support a draw order.