Rim Board / Framing issues

[erikbjur]

I know the lack of framing tools have been brought up for ages in this forum. I was wondering what anyone out there is doing on their framing plans for rim board and ledger framing. I used to think I had it figured out with using a wall called Rim Board that was 1 1/4" wide. I would then draw the rim board around the perimiter of the floor. I am now dealing with a concrete home in which there is a leger around the inside of the walls to which the framing is attached. Do any of you have exerence modeling this? I am a bit frusturated in the lack of basic framing tools that would allow a user to model even this simple item using normal framing objects (dimensional lumber family). It seams stupid to have to use wall objects to model framing. I can't schedule the rim board in a useful way if it is not based on normal framing families. I have attached a detail with detail components instead of the modeled ledger framing.

[Wes Macaulay]

You could make a floor type called Rim Board which would have the same finishes as the floor that will attach to it...

[khomburg]

What about using a floor slab edge with a profile that is the same size as your rim board? You could define the floor by using pick walls with an offset that is the thickness of your board.

[aaronrumple]

If you want to model it with as much detail as you like - you can. See attached. I'm using a beam system and beams for the rim board. Model the anchor bolts and hangers if you like as well.

I wouldn't do this however for the type of projects I'm doing. I don't need to count my rim boards, so I'll either do it with a detail componet (typically) - or I might include a sweep in the wall type if I need to see the shape in 3D.

[sbrown]

since you can add detail components to profile families, I would just make the outer shape of the profile and load in the detail components and place them in the profile family. then use either a slab edge or wall hosted sweep(set a subcategory for either for rim boards) then you can schedule them.

[sbrown]

Or you could do an in place, structural framing family, sweep, picking the walls as the path.

[erikbjur]

I promise I'm not a complete idiot, but I can't seam to figure out this host sweep thing. When I am in plan view, the hosted sweep button is greyed out. It is only available in section view. How am I supposed to sketch the path of the rim board or ledger in the section view? What am I doing wrong???

[beegee]

If you use a 3D view, you can select the Host Sweep, or create an inplace sweep family using the " Pick " command.

[Rhythmick]

What are you looking to schedule? I do my rim joists with the wall tool also. I can filter a wall schedule for rim joist parameters. This is a schedule for lengths. with total footage.

[erikbjur]

That is exactly what I was looking for. I like the idea of the host sweep as I can attach the detail components to it. There is always 2-3 different ways of doing things in Revit, which I love. Thanks for all of the help. I will post back and let you know how things went.

[cphubb]

We are using the beam system and making one of the "Girders" to be a rim joist/board. We have stopped including the structure on our floor systems and instead model the stick for joists where needed. Revit actually "attaches" our rim joist to the top of our foundation wall, but I do not know if it will attach to the side. With our steel buildings we were able to model a Ledger channel along a concrete wall but we just drew it conventionally and used the align tool to get it up against the wall. Threw in a few DC anchor bolts some notes and dimensions and we have a detail.

Try the beam systems they are really fast and easy.

[erikbjur]

What are you looking to schedule? I do my rim joists with the wall tool also. I can filter a wall schedule for rim joist parameters. This is a schedule for lengths. with total footage.

OK, I'm an idiot. I can't filter the rim joist family type. The only filter option is Length. I included the Type Property and the Length Property in the fields. Do I need to include something else?

[Rhythmick]

I filtered it by the description parameter.

[erikbjur]

Thanks for the reply. Is there any way to filter by family? Why can't we filter this way?