Schedule help?

[shaunv68276]

I have 2 11000 sqm buildings. 250 units with patio's & balcony's. In each unit is dining, lounge, kitchen, bedrooms & bathrooms. Is there a way to automatically assign the unit name to the associated rooms? Then in the area schedule how do I give a total area to each unit + patio/balcony?
The way I am doing it now is to manually add an area field for the patio which I manually have to fill in the corresponding area so I can add a formula in total to add up unit area + patio area. there must be an easier way. :x

[beegee]

Add a couple of custom parameters to the area schedule. One as say "Type" and one for "Level", both text.

Then sort the schedule using "By Level" with a footer giving Title and Totals, then by "Type", then by Name.

This will give you the subtotal area for each level and identify whether the area is External or Internal.

If you want to break that down further to get sub-totals by area type, you will need to filter and use two schedules.

Or, you could export to ODBC and Excel and import that text back.

The automatic assigning of unit names to rooms can be achieved by a couple of methods :-

1. Call up the area tag as U1-Living, U1-Dining etc.
or
2. Sort the schedule by Unit Names, hide that column and use a header to define the Units.

Hope that makes some sense.

[shaunv68276]

Thanks Beegee! It makes sense and its pretty much the way I am doing it. The problem here is that it is very manual! Once finishing off the unit rooms it is easier to put them into there respective fields. I was just seeing if there was another automated way, or if I was missing something. The problem here is that it would probably be easier to export to exel or ODBC and do it there but I feel one should be able to do it in revit!! Simple stuff like the 'SUM OF' from exel. Here I have to scratch my brain to come up with all sorts of formulas to tie up stuff. then by filtering and splitting schedules, my formulas dont work unless they are formulas for the same schedule. To top it all I have created key schedules with room styles and Unit styles now to keep all this together due to the fact it is spread over +250 units could force me to start drinking again. :beer:

[shaunv68276]

Here's a simplification of my thoughts...

Think of components - they are schedulable by location

If component moves - schedule updates accordingly

We need similarily to schedule rooms by location (areas/zones)

If new room is created - "zone" schedule should update

Likewise if room moves into new "zone" - schedule updates

Zone-aware rooms?

Is this possible or are we talking 6.2?

[gnl]

Shaun,
seems to me you are talking about being able to group and subgroup rooms... or areas...
just as in ADT area groups...
Or maybe have Types for area tags with predefined parameters assigned to them.. unfortunately for the moment not possible...

I posted a wish some time ago asking for exactly the same thing: in large projects, a hospital per example, you will need to structure your rooms into a tree, and grouping and sorting the rooms through the schedule is simply not convenient, because it implies assigning extra parameters.

I resolved in grouping rooms by a known parameter and then assigning the extra created parameter(s) (text as as bg suggets) to define the "zone" (or room group) directly from specifically created schedules, in order to have a Master schedule with the information I need, so at the time I had to do it, it was 5.1 and there were no formulas in schedules... and it was a manual task... prone very much to errors by the way...

I think though there might be a way to do this in 6.1, maybe misusing design options... ?

[Marek Brandstatter]

Does anyone know if this is on the Development Team's radar?

[PeterJ]

Don't know whether the factory folk are working on this or not but I have dealt with the problem of collecting room and apartment areas by adding a parameter to each room to nominate which apartment it is in, using schedule keys you can then automatically fill in things like level or whatever other information will go by apartment that you may wish to repeat in a schedule.

I then set up two schedules one reporting rooms and one reporting apartments and it seems to work okay.

[bclarch]

Pete,

Sounds like a good approach. Would you be willing to post screen shots of the resulting schedules?

[gnl]

Don't know whether the factory folk are working on this or not but I have dealt with the problem of collecting room and apartment areas by adding a parameter to each room to nominate which apartment it is in, using schedule keys you can then automatically fill in things like level or whatever other information will go by apartment that you may wish to repeat in a schedule.


was exactly what I was doing...execpt I got so complicated in explaining it... :?
the problem I think is just related to the manual task you have to go through in large proejcts... if you change the parameter from the schedule, it implies you have assigned somewhere another parameter that will let you recognize the room from the schedule itself, i.e. in the room tag or in the room tag properties... so we can do it... I think there should be a quicker way to do this, and room groups, or area groups, seem like a good way to me.

[Marek Brandstatter]

I agree. Does the Factory?

[PeterJ]

Attached are my screen shots. The 'Apartment' parameter is a project parameter, not a shared parameter, as I don't need it to appear in tags, but you may wish to do that the other way around if you have a room tag that also notes apartment (may be required to locate a particular detail view for example).

The two schedules are a direct duplicate of one another just filtered differently the key here is unchecking the 'Itemize every instance' box at bottom left of the Sorting/Grouping dialog.. Obviously you can tidy things up by changing the sorting and hiding the header in the apartment schedule (uncheck the 'Header Box') and probably make room 'Name' a hidden column or even remove it from the schedule.

Hope that helps.

[shaunv68276]

I have dealt with the problem of collecting room and apartment areas by adding a parameter to each room to nominate which apartment it is in, using schedule keys you can then automatically fill in things like level or whatever other information will go by apartment that you may wish to repeat in a schedule.

I then set up two schedules one reporting rooms and one reporting apartments and it seems to work okay..

Peter thanks This is exactly How I am doing it. The issue I have is that thru' 8 levels I have do one unit (room tags then the area plan) at a time then fill in the info on BOTH schedules! I want something automatic. Zone awareness

[PeterJ]

Yeah, its a bit of a pain but I have found that selecting everything and then using the filter tool is quick enough most of the time.

In feasibility work I usually make all the internal partitions non-room bounding and then use text for room names and one room tag for the apartment or department or what have you....

You still have to do the work at some point though.

[bclarch]

Thanks for the screen shots Pete.

[PeterJ]

No problem, did it make sense to you?

[bclarch]

Yes. This might be worthy of a post in the tips and tricks forum.