Old steel profile shapes

[cadkiller]

Group;

I know this is probably more for Revit Structures; but I wish I had all the old steel beam profile shapes for use with renovation type work.

Let me know what you think?

[BWG]

Yes, but you probably need to invest in an AISC manual and build your own library for posting on AUGI. :mrgreen:

[cadkiller]

I have the AISC Iron and Steel Beams 1873 to 1952 manual.
These are the shapes I would like available.
The manual has a bunch of beams in them.
I'm pretty sure the AISC has all of that information in a database file.
Autodesk needs to get in contact with the AISC.

What do you do when you have a renovation job and don't have these beam sizes to use in the model?

[Scott D Davis]

All you need is a Text file which matches the format of the Type Catalog for a standard steel shape. If you have this list, and have someone that can type, you could easily create the Ttype catalog, apply it to a shape that already exists in the library, and you are done. Here's a piece of th W shape catalog that comes with Revit:


,W##other##,A##area##inches,d##length##inches,tw##length##inches,bf##length##inches,tf##length##inches,k##length##inches
W44X335,335,98.3,44.02,1.025,15.945,1.770,2.625
W44X290,290,85.8,43.62,0.865,15.825,1.575,2.438
W44X262,262,77.2,43.31,0.785,15.750,1.415,2.250
W44X230,230,67.7,42.91,0.710,15.750,1.220,2.063
W40X593,593,174.0,42.99,1.790,16.690,3.230,4.500
I would do it in Excel, then export to TXT.

[cadkiller]

Scott;

So you're saying that we should all create these when we have a renovation job to do.
Why not provide these with the program? I'm sure some people will run into this, more so for Revit Structures.

PS: I'm also sure that Autodesk has some people that can type much quicker than me.

[gibson.tim91884]

I'd rather see factory time spent elsewhere. Even though we also occasionally need older steel profiles, it's not a big deal to create them as needed. And of course, once it's done, they're always available.

[cadkiller]

Just because you would like the factory to spend time else doesn't justify the rejection of such a feature. A vote of yes with low priority would have been nice.

It's not such a big deal to create these like Scott has mentioned.
If you have the database file from the AISC than you can convert and create them very easily with MS Access.

Anyway this feature would be more appealing to Engineers that do mostly renovation type projects and not new construction. Especially if the existing buildings are large and have many various old beam sizes that will remain.

[jsr13]

For the record: I voted 5 stars. Why? We are a structural firm & have RS3 and are VERY surprised that they are not included in a product specifically for the structural realm. They did involve actual structural engineers in the development of RS3, didn't they?

I agree with Gibson that (significant) factory time would be better spent on other items, but this is something that should have been included from the start for the Structure version at least - which would make it a no-brainer for the rest as well. And as far as time needed to make this happen: negligible with any typist worth half of her hourly wage.

Renovations & additions are a good piece of the pie. I have been in the structural business for 11 years and I have yet to see "MT structural tee" or "ST structural tee" or "welded reduced flange" or "welded wide flange" shapes. That's probably just luck & different engineering solutions, but I have had dozens of uses for showing the older shapes. I'm also guessing that this is a bigger issue on the east coast where the cities with many old steel structures are more plentiful.

When it gets right down to it, Cadkiller is right: the AISC should easily make the file(s) available. How do you think Revit has the info for the other structural members? It certainly wasn't osmosis that put them in there!
Or maybe it was...

[Terry Jordan]

I'd say I have to agree with Jeff. Although we don't do a lot of renovation work, it seems like a no-brainer that these shapes be included with Revit Stucture. They've obviously put a little time into shapes that no one will use. I'm actually surprised that these shapes weren't available in Revit long before Revit Structure came along.

Maybe someone should edit the type catalog and send it to the guys at Autodesk.

Not it!

[Steve_Stafford]

How do you think Revit has the info for the other structural members? It certainly wasn't osmosis that put them in there! Or maybe it was...No Mr. Osmosis didn't do it, he wasn't available. Some guy named Campbell did.

This stuff is definitely on their radar for content but between the last release and the release of 9 over a thousand new pieces of content were made for Building alone...not to mention Structure and Systems. They've got the same eight hour day problem the rest of us has :smile:

[Steven Campbell]

No Mr. Osmosis didn't do it, he wasn't available. Some guy named Campbell did.
....They've got the same eight hour day problem the rest of us has :smile:Please put a specific request in through support and also to the product manager. Priority to any project is defined by how many people request a feature or content and how much pressure is applied to the correct person.

By the way we let Mr. Osmosis go he wasn't working out...

Steven Campbell
Autodesk Revit