Wall Ratings / Wall Types

[mcuevas]

Hi everyone, I work in a firm that does primarily healthcare. In our cd's we use numerous wall types/wall ratings. I know you can assign a hatch for walls when they are cut in plan, but I don't think I could create the variety of wall types that I need. We use anywhere from 5 -12 different wall types on projects. The only thing I could think of as a work around is using a repeating detail component and drafting it on the views. If anyone else out there does anything similar I would appreciate any suggestions....Thanks...

[Scott D Davis]

Yet another reason to have the ability to place detail components and repeating detail components into the wall properties.

[cliff collins]

Anybody willing to share their method for setting up Partition Types in a set of Condocs? We have cut sections thru all of the various wall types,
placed the views on our sheet(s).

I guess the question is, where should the walls themselves reside? They are obviously in the project model---but we don't want all of those section marks in the views. We would like to create a library of wall types to use
for "office standards" so all users can access them.

Any ides/suggestions appreciated. :)

Cliff Collins

[Scott D Davis]

Create a Phase, called Legend or something like that, and create items not normally shown in normal views there.

[PeterJ]

Use a management phase at the beginning prior to Site, Enabling works, Construction Phase A opr whatever your phases are and in that management phase draw all your walls, windows and doors and then reference those items for your elevations, plans and so on. The beauty of this is that you can have it all set up in your template ready to go, if your buildings are that similar, and if you move a window/door/wall in the model your refenced views in windows schedules or what have you all remain constant.

[jbalding48677]

Maybe I am not understanding the issue, but our wall type details are drafting views that represent the details of each wall type.

[sbrown]

I don't use anything "live" for my partition types. I have a sheet a10.0 within one of my " detail projects" projects that contain drafting views of details for diff. common details. On my partition type detail project i have drafting views of all the typically used wall constructions. I then copy these details into my current project and when I place my section mark, just check the ref. option and select the proper section. This lets me work quicker and utilize other workers not up to speed on revit to create details in a sep project that will be usefull to every project. Note that you can place your most common types in your project template and allready on a sheet and ready to ref.

[cliff collins]

Scott and everyone:

Thanks for the suggestions. I think I like the "separate project" approach, with referencing to the current project. It's hard to dig this kind of stuff out of the documentation, or even Cyril Verley's books. :?:

I personally like to use the "live" method --- just draw a wall, cut a section
and you have it---without doing a lot of "detail component" drafting--more of a "purist" modeling idea. :)

Cliff Collins

[Wes Macaulay]

We're not there yet -- that sort of thing requires both hardware and software that are a few notches up from Revit. Rules-based modellers like Cadworks and Vertex BD are too rigid for most architects anyway, and can't be used on large projects.

Modelling individual studs is still not a practical idea for all but the smallest projects.

[Allen Lacy]

I like the "live" method too. The only drawback to this is if you move the wall or partition that you selected to become you wall type. Also, you need to "hide annotation" at each instance, unless you want to see them ( I usually don't).

[Dean Camlin]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but it doesn't seem that hard to me. If necessary, I would use a drafting view to show the wall construction graphically, but insert that as part of a wall type schedule, with complete assembly descriptions, including fire ratings. Then tag the walls in your plans.

BTW, one thing which has irritated me is that the OTB tags are transparent and often the tags get garbled because of other features being visible through them. So I've made my own tags with white filled regions as backgrounds behind the tag labels. That way I know I'll always be able to read them. I can post them if anybody is interested.

[cogen]

Dean,


BTW, one thing which has irritated me is that the OTB tags are transparent and often the tags get garbled because of other features being visible through them. So I've made my own tags with white filled regions as backgrounds behind the tag labels. That way I know I'll always be able to read them. I can post them if anybody is interested.

Thanks Dean. Your opaque tags would be much appreciated. :D

[Dean Camlin]

I'll try to post them tomorrow when I return to work. Right now I'm at the community college, teaching my Revit class.

[Dean Camlin]

Here are some tags with opaque backgrounds.

[Rols]

I realize all of the wall information is built into the Revit model. However, just because because it's there, it doesn't mean that it needs to be shown. My office has an entire library of standard wall type details that are just too good to let go to waste. It makes much more sense to just import those into drawing views and reference those through the wall tags.

[Dimitri Harvalias]

Mcuevas,
If I understand correctly what you are after is not a 'wall legend' but different ways of graphically representing walls in plan.
When I used Autoarchitect I used to define wall types with a solid linetype at the centerline of the wall assembly. Single dash for a 1 hour wall, double dash for a 2 hour wall, dash dot for shaft wall etc.One of the limitations of using hatches is Revits inability to rotate a hatch pattern relative to the wall.
With the cost of color printing going down I've taken to using colors to code wall types. You can print reduced sets of the drawings in color for code compliance and other purposes.
I would still like the ability to incorporate a line in the center of the wall style.

[mlgatzke]

I agree. In the commercial architecture world, the need to show the rating of the walls in a plan view is essential. For instance, one of the firms I worked for showed their rated wall symbols in the Reflected Ceiling Plan. Tags are one thing, but the ability to show the rating of the wall in an easily identifiable way is important.

For instance, ADT allows the user to lay these types of lines over the wall in a plan view (as separate entities from the walls) and the line has intelligence to follow the wall. The user simply clicks for the start of the line and again at the end of the line.

Speaking of this, it would then be nice to be able to show these linetypes in a schedule.

[Phil Palmer]

Revit needs the ability to provide us with an easy way in which to display the different types of wall we need to build. We need various ways/views to display our wall types.
Currently we have utilised the Coars scale fill to provide coloured plans of different wall types (Fire Rating). But we have projects that also need to indicate different DB Noise reduction requirements where we then are stuck as we have used the coarse fill for Fire Rating.

We also struggle with the best nethod of providing a key indicating these wall types. ?

[beegee]

Revit needs the ability to provide us with an easy way in which to display the different types of wall we need to build. We need various ways/views to display our wall types.
Currently we have utilised the Coars scale fill to provide coloured plans of different wall types (Fire Rating). But we have projects that also need to indicate different DB Noise reduction requirements where we then are stuck as we have used the coarse fill for Fire Rating.

We also struggle with the best nethod of providing a key indicating these wall types. ?

In the meantime, wall tags and scheduling those tags with a full description of fire / acoustic and structural properties will work very well.

The old tried and true method, before colur prints. :wink:

[PeterJ]

The old tried and true method, before colur prints. :wink:

Tried and true but not infallible.

As we all deal with contractors who let packages it is useful, particularly for someone like Phil, to issue a set which relates to a specific trade or group of trades.

Also as we all deal with gaining regulation approval it is useful to issue a set which relates to a specific aspect of the local regulations and here to gain a quick breeze through the relevant channels a colour coded set of acoustic controls, structural rating, fire rating drawings all make their life easier and hence ours. Particularly if you are submitting projects which need to go to a local government body, an inependent plan checker, the fire brigade and another specialist consultee.

[beegee]

As we all deal with contractors who let packages it is useful, particularly for someone like Phil, to issue a set which relates to a specific trade or group of trades.

Also as we all deal with gaining regulation approval it is useful to issue a set which relates to a specific aspect of the local regulations and here to gain a quick breeze through the relevant channels a colour coded set of acoustic controls, structural rating, fire rating drawings all make their life easier and hence ours. Particularly if you are submitting projects which need to go to a local government body, an inependent plan checker, the fire brigade and another specialist consultee.

Yep, doing all that with wall tags at present. But I hear what you're saying and don't disagree that the process could stand some enhancement.
I was just making the unsubtle point that it may not necessarily be a high priority wish, since there is a system already working. The other old storey of putting revit's resources where they may be most needed applies.

[mcuevas]

Dimitri, that is exaclty what I was trying to explain. Wall tags are ok, we don't really use them but if we had to we could work around it for now.

[Dimitri Harvalias]

Tags work (and are currently the way I do it, unless shading or color is an option) but are not my preference. I'd rather do it graphically for the simple reason that I think it reads better and there is no doubt about walls properties when changes of direction occur.
The fact that Revit makes tagging walls a breeze doesn't put this high on my priority list, but it would be a nice addition.

[sbrown]

I thought of a workaround, its a stretch but may work. Make a detail component, in the shapes and sizes you want, ie, triangle, square, etc. then load those into a balluster family, delete any 3d content in the balluster family, then created diff. railing types using these ballusters, this will let you pick and lock the path to the cl of your walls. give it a try.