Looking for a 13 X 19 laser printer

[cadkiller]

Group;

Does anyone know where I can get a 13" X 19" laser printer?

[Wanderer]

Group;

Does anyone know where I can get a 13" X 19" laser printer?are you looking to discover a manufacturer? or were you looking to obtain a used one?
if yes to the second one, I'd try posting an ad on the classifieds forum on autodesk site (http://discussion.autodesk.com/index2.jspa?categoryID=38).

[cadkiller]

Melanie;

I'm looking for a manufacturer that sells a 13 X 19 laser printer.
I have searched and searched; but can't find one.
The largest lasers that I can find are 11 X 17.
I can only find ink jet printers that can handle this size; but don't know if they're as fast as a laser when printing black and white CAD drawings.

[aaronrumple]

Our Minolta copier/printer/scanner does 13x19. But it is also a $50,000 machine....

[JDagis]

I use an HP 9800 deskjet. $225. Kinda slow, does the job.

[Jordan Truesdell]

For a laser that big, you're probably going to have to go to a monster machine. You're looking for "Tabloid Extra" which is a bit bigger than most people need.

Hmmm...how about a Xerox (tektronix) 7750 (http://www.office.xerox.com/perl-bin/product.pl?product=7750&page=modl)? It's color, and it will set you back close to seven grand, but it will do 13x19 (don't know what the active area is) and will crank out 35 pages per minute in color or black and white.

It would probably be more economical to buy half a dozen HP1120s (or similar..I think I have an 1100c or 1150c at home) and a bunch of USB to parallel adapters. Not exactly bulletproof, but it would do the job.

[cadkiller]

Thanks Jordan;

That is much better than the $50,000 system Aaron recommended.
It is still expensive; but really spits out print jobs at 35 PPM.
The problem is everything is going color and they're forgetting about the little guys that just need black and white prints like me.
I was looking at the new HP's and they require 6 cartridges of ink to get it started. That's like $200.00 just to crank it up.

[Andre Baros]

For a long time here we had a RAIP (Random Array of Inkjet Printers). 3 HP CP1700's connected to a Jet Direct card. Each printer is only $500 and together they were fast and cost effective. We needed it for color but I believe that there are several models of inkjet printers which let you swap a second black cartrige in for the color to get faster BW printing. We still use these for all our photo printing.

We've now got a Canon IRC3100 which does 12x18 which is amazing (half size of 24x36) we use it as a copier, scanner, printer, fax machine, scanner, scanner scanner. Did I mention scanner. It's taken us very close to being a paperless office because it lets us scan everything to PDF in bulk. If you can live with 12x18 and can justify the cost by combining multiple machines this machine is HIGHLY recommended.

[cadkiller]

Andres;

Thanks, that might work for me.
How much does it cost and do you have a link?
Where do you get 12 X 18 paper?

Well I found a link and it's about $7,000.
Still just abit over my budget.
I have the HP 5000 laser (11 X 17 B&W) and it cost me about $1500 8 years ago.
Why don't the manufacturers make one similar to handle 13 X 19 paper for just B& W?
I'm sure there would be a decent market for something like that.

[Andre Baros]

We got ours as part an FM package which includes our Plotter from our Repro house. They supply the consumables (the paper comes from HammerMill).

[aaronrumple]

That is much better than the $50,000 system Aaron recommended.

Yes, but you haven't lived untill you can scan a 11x17 image @ 600 dpi to a pdf on the network in 1/10th of a second.... Very spoiled with this sitting around.

[Andre Baros]

That's exactly why we got ours. Now we have file cabinets sitting empty as everyone scans everything. And the interface on the Canon is so easy that EVERYONE is using it. "Havn't lived" is the right term.

[Jordan Truesdell]

Actually, the market for a printer that will do only B&W at 13x19 is very small. The biggest reason I can see for a 13x19 is doing oversize tabloid bleed proofs in the graphics design industry, and they all want color.

I actually picked up a designjet 120nr (network/roll feed/6 color) for about $1200 after the trade-in promo they had a couple of years ago. It's dog slow in best quality mode, but the output will knock your socks off on coated paper. The standard version, without the network or roll feed was about $1200 or $1300 without the promo, and would do sheetfed (250pg?cartridge) up to 13x19, and will print up to 24" wide. The current incarnation is the 130, though I dont' know what has changed.

What is your need for 13x19? That's an odd size, to say the least. 12x18 is full bleed tabloid/half size zrch D, and 11x17 is ANSI, A3 is 11.7x16.5. I'll admit I'd like a 12x18 to plot half size 24x36 Dsize sheets, but for the price, I changed my office print size to ANSI D (22x34) so I can print on an HP5si. Got the 5si for about $350 shipped from ebay, and threw in another $150 for a new fuser. Lots of paper storage, decently fast, duplexing, and dirt cheap to run. A side benefit of my using ANSI D is that I can do all my work on my sheets, an then just xref on an architects Arch. D (24x36) into paperspace and everything usually fits without my having to fuss with with detail sizes.

[cadkiller]

I currently print my check sheets on 11X17. I scale down a 24X36 sheet to fit that paper size and the text is just a tad bit difficult to read. If I could print these check prints just abit larger, than I would be able to see the text much better.

Another issue is the cost per print. I can buy a whole box of 11X17 paper for like 5 cents a sheet. I wonder how much 12X18 & 13X19 paper cost?

I wonder if you could put all black cartridges in the HP 130 be able to make B&W printing faster.

I like Andres idea about running several injets; but I would need about 5 to 10 inklets to equal the speed of one laser.

[Jordan Truesdell]

Can't put all black in the 130. Wouldn't help anyway, as the print speed is limited by the internal processor and head speed.

Of course, if you're just plotting for check prints, most printers will do 11.7" wide prints, since that's A3 width. I can asnwer your page cost question,"if you have to ask..." It will probably be double to quadruple in cents per page. It's just not a common size.

If you're primarily worried about check plots, the 130 is pretty darned fast. It's not the prettiest in the world, but it's good enough for most check work. I just ran a full sheet of fairly dense details on my 120 at draft quality, and it took 5 seconds for acad to plot, 15 seconds to initialize the printer (it had to wake up), and 25 seconds to print a 13x19 on 22" roll paper, including cutting the paper off. That's not laser speed, but its not too bad if you're running short sets.

[GreyHippo]

I get my 12"x18" from my local reprographics place. All they do is cut their 18"X24" paper in half. I think I paid about 12 bucks for about 1000 sheets, but we don't usually plot on that size.

About the printer. I have an hp laserjet 5100, it can print up to a size of 12.35"x18.5". It has places for two sizes of paper, although neither hold as mony sheets as I would like. We use it to print letter size and 11x17. It gets alot of use with out any problems (knock on wood).

[Andre Baros]

12x18 is a standard size from Hammermill in "color copy" but not plain bond. The color copy is a bit heavier and a bit more white, so it costs a bit more, but is not radically different. The 5100 can fit the larger sheets but I don't think it supports them.