Door Jambs in Ceiling view

[raddis]

Read the thread on View Range. Interesting. No training required for Revit, huh.
Anyway....
Related to that thread, I want my door jambs to show in the Ceiling View and have turned on the Frame/Mullion Visibility Graphics for the view under Doors, but can't seem to get any of the View Depth settings to show the mullions (the wall should continue through at the same weight).

Ia this something that has been explained before or may be in Aaron's cabinet project from that thread?

[aaronrumple]

The default cut plane is 7'-6" for RCP's in the template provided. Just change the cut plane to intersect the door. I recommend 4'.

[raddis]

Doesn't do it.
You end up with the header lines above the door lighter than the wall lines, and the jambs still don't show.
I tried 6'-6" with no luck.

[aaronrumple]

Ah. You want the walls to be cut above the door and the door to be cut in plan. A fake view. You'll need to add symbolic linework into your door so it shows in RCP. .

(... a quicker way might be to set the door projection to the same pen weight as the walls, but I'm not sure what you exactly want the graphics to look like.)

[bpayne]

Can you post an image of what you want it to look like? It would help.
I've found myself saying this alot lately, but...... why?

I know we all have conventions that if we spent enough time thinking about it, we would wonder why we do it. Some things have been carried over from pencil drawings, somethings from autocad.

Example: I'm used to doors being cut in RCP's. Sure I can think of several reasons why it's good to do this....The real reason...In Autocad I use the same lines for my walls in plan as I do in RCP. The walls are cut in plan, so they are cut in RCP.

My advise...set the clip level at either 4' or 7'-6". They are both good standards.

[raddis]

See attached image.
It's kind of important to know where the windows or doora are in an RCP drawing, especially if you are locating light switches etc. See attached ADT image.
Also, how does one add or rather control "symbolic" lines in the door.rfa file?
Will it be fairly obvious to me?
I've customized a bunch of door types so far, and haven't been completely chewed up and spit out by the family editor (though pretty close). I will be attempting to add "rotation" parameters to get 45 and 90 degree swings (I've downloaded all the examples).

[aaronrumple]

See attached image.
It's kind of important to know where the windows or doora are in an RCP drawing, especially if you are locating light switches etc. See attached ADT image.Ah.. you want to look like ADT, not a real architectural drawing.... ;-)

You can add in fine/medium and coarse levels of symbolic linework. (Display reps, without the head ache...) For what you want to see, the linework would be visible when the door is NOT cut. So don't check the "Show only if instance is cut" for the linework's visibility. Don't forget to assign it to a sub category so you can turn it of in views you don't it visible. Use pick with the lock option so your linework moves with the parameters already established in your family. I suggest adding this as a coarse level of display as typically you will dumb down the walls for an RCP as well.

Oh yes. Leave your cut plane set to the default 7'-6"

[raddis]

Hmmmm.....quite a mouthful there!
Thanks Aaron. It makes sense what you wrote but the proof is in the pubbing so I will try to figure out all of the suggestions later today.

Thanks.

[raddis]

OK.
Symbolic lines seem to have a fixed number of types in the door.rfa file (meaning I can't add new types).
So, I chose the Frame/Mullion (projection) verses Frame/Mullion (cut) (aside: what's the difference between these two types?).

In plan the sybolic lines show. I redrew them in the Ceiling Plans=>Ground Floor view, but theses don't show up. I have Show if cut unchecked. What did I miss?
See attached image.

[jamesd10181097]

[QUOTE=raddis]Read the thread on View Range. Interesting. No training required for Revit, huh.
Anyway....
[QUOTE]

Did someone state to you that No training was required for Revit? Because appropriate training is of the utmost importance since AutoCAD knowledge does not translate well to Revit.

[aaronrumple]

OK.
Symbolic lines seem to have a fixed number of types in the door.rfa file (meaning I can't add new types).
So, I chose the Frame/Mullion (projection) verses Frame/Mullion (cut) (aside: what's the difference between these two types?).

In plan the sybolic lines show. I redrew them in the Ceiling Plans=>Ground Floor view, but theses don't show up. I have Show if cut unchecked. What did I miss?
See attached image.
Settings->Object Styles (...or for those AutoCAD people out there - layers.)

Cut is the lineweight used when an objecvt is cut - projected is what you get when you see it in elevation (or plan). You set up the category - Revit will automatically make the cut and projected categories. These will then have settings inside your project for lineweight.

[raddis]

Nah, its just all these ADT haters over here in the Revit Groups who think Revit is soooooooo easy to use ootb with no training. I beg to differ. But yah, I do admit that Revit makes more "sense" in how it approachs drawings than does an AutoCAD based product, but try producing a decent set of contract documents missing at least half of your ADT/AutoCAD tools and it is a bit of a challenge. I mean I can't even make a multi-sided callout shape without some goofy kludgy work-around.

The Family editior alone makes most of the customizing I do in ADT seem like a breeze compared to it. Of course with power comes responsibility. I WILL become a Family Editor Master!

Again, I've been an architect a long time (licensed in 1975 - drawing way long before that) and there are just a boatload of things missing in this product. Now, this is not an ADT guy bashing Revit, just neutral observations and comments. We are going to be using Revit here starting next month, on a trial basis.

Ask me if only one product could survive which would I choose? Well, at the moment it would be Revit. That doesn't mean I'm not displeased with the lack of tools I have at present.

Anyway, how do I get these frickin jamb lines to show up in the Ceiling view!