What is your impression of AutoCAD 2007 GENERAL performance?

[Steve Johnson]

What is your impression of general AutoCAD 2007 performance when compared with your earlier release? Please exclude 3D performance, which is covered in another poll (http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=39269). This is the sort of thing I'm thinking of: startup, drawing open and save, time for dialogues to come up, text entry responsiveness, zoom/pan speed, plotting times, anything you do regularly, when using the sort of drawings you usually work on.

* Edited to include link to 3D poll. *

[Brian Myers]

For myself I find it to be just about the same. Of course, I don't do any large scale projects which may/may not really test the program. But in general I personally have not run into any differences... its a good question.

[tomnewsom]

Well, I just went from 2002 to 2007 and nearly tripped over my bootlaces. Layer manager takes forever. Loading drawings takes forever. Cut'n'Paste seems to have a weird 'status bar goes all flashy' delay in it. Properties window takes ages to pop up (and no longer forms an edge to the viewport - really unuseful when doing zoom extents :mad:

Seriously considering doing drawing in 2002 and just using 2007 for conversion :(

[Wanderer]

just out of curiosity, what are your system specs? (I haven't installed map07 yet... a little gunshy after map06 ~shudder~ and I've currently only got 512ram with my winxp machine, which *should* be alright considering I only do 2d)
Well, I just went from 2002 to 2007 and nearly tripped over my bootlaces. Layer manager takes forever. Loading drawings takes forever. Cut'n'Paste seems to have a weird 'status bar goes all flashy' delay in it. Properties window takes ages to pop up (and no longer forms an edge to the viewport - really unuseful when doing zoom extents :mad:

Seriously considering doing drawing in 2002 and just using 2007 for conversion :(

[Brian Myers]

just out of curiosity, what are your system specs? (I haven't installed map07 yet... a little gunshy after map06 ~shudder~ and I've currently only got 512ram with my winxp machine, which *should* be alright considering I only do 2d)

Good question, 2002 usually didn't require as much system power...

[noozybkk]

What is your impression of general AutoCAD 2007 performance when compared with your earlier release? Please exclude 3D performance, I'll do another poll for that later. This is the sort of thing I'm thinking of: startup, drawing open and save, time for dialogues to come up, text entry responsiveness, zoom/pan speed, plotting times, anything you do regularly, when using the sort of drawings you usually work on.Looking forward to posting in this thread. I have just taken delivery and broken the seal on 2 seats of 2007. Will be loading them up later today. They will be on two very different machines, so I should be able to report back about performance differences.

Machine 1:
HP Compaq dx6120 :?
Intel P4 3.0GHz Dual Core
512 MB Ram
nVidia GeForce 6200 Turbo Graphics 128MB (PCIe)

Machine 2:
NoozyBuilt Special :p
AMD Athlon 64x2 4800 Dual Core
2GB Ram
Matrox Parhelia 128MB Graphics (AGP8x)

Both running XP Pro SP2

[tomnewsom]

This is on my brand-new Revit + Rendering machine - dual opterons, 2GB and twin monitors on Nvidia (forget the model no. It's a beast though) - So there's definitely nothing wrong there :)

Can't stand all the tooptips hanging around on my drawing lines as well. It works in Revit - the whole thing is mouse driven and parametric, so it makes sense to dimension everything as you go. In Autocad, however, I'm a command line wizzard (I map all the commands to the LH side of the keyboard so I don't even have to move my hand:)) and 2007 just wants to get in my way all the time. If it wasn't for compatibility with other consultants (who are on the subscription upgrade train) then I'd go bak to 2000i in a snap.

EDIT: I'm slowly getting things under control, but geez there's a lot of stuf fto turn off :)

[noozybkk]

EDIT: I'm slowly getting things under control, but geez there's a lot of stuf fto turn off :) Like you, I have everything at my left hand's fingertips. Toolbars and menus are just too slow. (I suppose one of these days I will have to embrace the heads-up display). I have an acad.lsp file that I started in 1997 and am continually adding keyboard shortcuts and stuff to everytime I think of something new.

When I fired up 2007 and migrated my 2006 settings, I had to do very little turning off. Everything was as it was in 2006. The only thing I did was copy my acad.lsp file over to the 2007 support directory.

Been using it for two days now on the Intel machine mentioned above and no problems...even when working in 3d and with only 512MB of memory.

I imagine it will be blazing on the AMD maching with 2GB and three monitors. :veryevil:

[Spectrefish]

I hate how slow the zoom gets when zooming in an open and locked viewport. Close the viewport and everything is fine, zoom in modelspace and everything is fine, but if a viewport is open and locked zooming is horrible:banghead: .

Otherwise no trouble here at all:beer: .

[noozybkk]

So here's what I've found so far...

2D Draughting only.

The HP maching is marginally faster in 2007 than it was in 2006 when it comes to working on really large drawings.

The AMD machine is quite a bit faster in 2007 than in 2006.

On both machines though, the palettes seem to be slower to appear and disappear when they are set to auto-hide themselves. Dialog boxes also seem to take a little bit of time to come up.

I'm not altogether surprised at how I've found both machines behaving. I think the majority of the 2007 enhancements are to the 3D and presentation stuff, which I will have a thorough play with this week and post over in the other thread.

[robert.1.hall72202]

07 is going somewhat slower than 06. I have crashed it a few times and I am about ready to chuck it out the window. I have yet to find which features that I need to turn off in order
to make it run smoother.

[noozybkk]

Hi Robert,

Thought about chucking it myself, but I am going to stick with...too much money invested in it so far.

I must say though, I am very very disappointed.

I get the impression a lot of stuff isn't as good as it could be (or wasn't finished by the release deadline so just pushed out 'as is' ).

It seems like the major releases (ie the ones with the dwg format change) are historically not so special, whereas the ones that follow are better. Lets hope 2k8 is better.

[Brian Myers]

It seems like the major releases (ie the ones with the dwg format change) are historically not so special, whereas the ones that follow are better. Lets hope 2k8 is better.

If you go by history then it should be. In over 20 years I don't believe we've ever had one "bad" release follow another... of course, this has been interesting in itself, I'm personally happy with this release in many ways, and not so much in others. AutoCAD I'm fairly happy with, ADT 2007 I'm disappointed with because of object related issues and saving back to previous versions. I understand why this took place, but its a difficult issue for customers. It will be interesting to see the feature set/direction of future releases of the AutoCAD line of products...

[gino.mancusa]

Does acad have any real designers that work for them or are they all Microsoft recruits. Acad is loosing us in the 2D production end of things and complicating the life out of everything. I guess they don't want another R14 creeping out of the woodwork to bite them in the A#!.

If I only had a choice, you never know though??

[Wanderer]

Joining the beta team (http://myfeedback.autodesk.com/)might be more productive than personally insulting the programmers.
Does acad have any real designers that work for them or are they all Microsoft recruits. Acad is loosing us in the 2D production end of things and complicating the life out of everything. I guess they don't want another R14 creeping out of the woodwork to bite them in the A#!.

If I only had a choice, you never know though??

[Brian Myers]

Does acad have any real designers that work for them or are they all Microsoft recruits. Acad is loosing us in the 2D production end of things and complicating the life out of everything. I guess they don't want another R14 creeping out of the woodwork to bite them in the A#!.

If I only had a choice, you never know though??
Actually, they do have people from the professional world of design too.
Wanderer's advice is very good if you have concerns....

[rkmcswain]

Does acad have any real designers that work for them or are they all Microsoft recruits. Acad is loosing us in the 2D production end of things and complicating the life out of everything. I guess they don't want another R14 creeping out of the woodwork to bite them in the A#!.

If I only had a choice, you never know though??Remember, at big companies like the desk, priority #1 is pleasing the shareholders, and sales is a good way to do that. You can't have sales unless you are pushing a new product (not to mention you have to give the subscription buyers something for that big check every year) - and 12 months just isn't enough time to assemble a really stable application as complex as AutoCAD.

In their defense though, because it is a complex application with hooks to a lot of vertical applications, it supports a huge API, etc. - frankly I'm surprised it's as stable as it is. The testing doesn't really start until ship date....

[cwade]

It's speed is a bit better when dealing with images, but the program has a TON more bugs than any previous version I have used (including Release 13).

[Augi Doggie]

It's speed is a bit better when dealing with images, but the program has a TON more bugs than any previous version I have used (including Release 13).
I personally try to not bring up Release 13 in mixed company. Someone always mumbles something about a "jinx" or they spit on the floor and say that it's rude to mention in their presence.

2007 has some terrific new 3D features and a couple great 2D features that are getting overlooked because of the focus on the 3D upgrades.

I told IT not to load 2007 on any of our computers until Service Pack 1 comes out. Too many bugs that still need to be worked out. But I won't compare it to the dreaded R-13.

[Brian Myers]

But I won't compare it to the dreaded R-13. Well, since its 2007 it is an "odd number" release. ;-)

No, its no where close to R13. But it does have more issues than any recent release... likely because of the File Format change which historically causes odd issues. All in all I'm happy with base 2007 and recommend it without an astrick * attached... (there are a couple of verticles I put an * on just so people realize there could be issues depending on their situation...)