Interior shaded view

[ron.sanpedro]

I seem to remember some discusion about interior shaded views some time ago. We have an interior view, actually a courtyard view, and we can't get sun into the space. The whole thing is shaded no matter what sun settings we use. I searched for Interior Shaded but I didn't find anything. Note this isn't a rendered view, just a simple hidden line with shadows.
Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Gordon

[Wesley]

Have you checked what happens when you set the windows (well, all glazed areas...) to act as 'daylights' from the rendering tab? Not sure if this will only affect rendering... Also check what the material being used for the glass is. If you spin your 3D view around to look through the window from the outside, can you see anything inside?

Wes

[ron.sanpedro]

Have you checked what happens when you set the windows (well, all glazed areas...) to act as 'daylights' from the rendering tab? Not sure if this will only affect rendering... Also check what the material being used for the glass is. If you spin your 3D view around to look through the window from the outside, can you see anything inside?

Wes


This is actually a courtyard view, no glazing between the camera and the sun. But it is also a camera totally surounded by building, so I thought there might be some overlap. I seem to remember courtyard being mentioned in the other post.

Best,
Gordon

[Firmso]

I seem to remember some discusion about interior shaded views some time ago. We have an interior view, actually a courtyard view, and we can't get sun into the space. The whole thing is shaded no matter what sun settings we use. I searched for Interior Shaded but I didn't find anything. Note this isn't a rendered view, just a simple hidden line with shadows.
Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Gordon

Go to View > Advanced Model Graphics... and click on the arrow under Sun and shadow Settings. Under Settings select Directly and lower your altitude to maybe 10.00

[Firmso]

BTW, make sure you set your sun all the way to the right and Shadow to the left under Advanced Model Graphics... under Intensity. and click that thing that says Cast Shadows.

[aaronrumple]

Revit can't calculate shadows if the camera is sitting in a shadow itself. (Duh!)

[patricks]

Say what? So if I had a 3D camera situated under a canopy, looking at another part of a building, it would not do shadows in that view for the other part of the building that's out in the sun? That sounds very odd.

[aaronrumple]

Yep. Not very odd. Stupid. Fire the programmer.

You'll see in the attached I have a donut shaped building. Light should be filling the courtyard, but there is nothing. Nada. Everything is in full shade. This feature is useless for interior shadow studies.

BTW - I can't find any reference to this embarrassment on the adsk support site.

[ron.sanpedro]

Yep. Not very odd. Stupid. Fire the programmer.

You'll see in the attached I have a donut shaped building. Light should be filling the courtyard, but there is nothing. Nada. Everything is in full shade. This feature is useless for interior shadow studies.

BTW - I can't find any reference to this embarrassment on the adsk support site.

Well, I think we all need to hammer them on this. In all honesty, this should be guaranteed fixed in 10, if not 9.1. This is a HUGE bug in my book, and a bug right where the designer types who run this office will start to question if Revit can really do the job.
I am going to have some fun explaining this to my team, especially since the project is all about the courtyard, indoor/outdoor spaces, and shading a building in the heat of Davis, California. In other words, we NEED this pretty bad. Aiiii!

Gordon

[Steve Jager]

In the meantime just keep exporting your models into SU5. No problem and it looks nice.

[ron.sanpedro]

In the meantime just keep exporting your models into SU5. No problem and it looks nice.

It does look nice, but for early SD studies it is just too slow. We really need the immediate feedback of "change the sun screen, turn on the shadows and evaluate the shading pattern, turn em off, tweak, shade, etc". We are actually using shaded views in real time for design, as well as for client presentations where the SketchUp look is superior. And what we are designing is the experience of being in the intermediate space between the interior of the building and the outdoors of the courtyard, where the impact of the sun screens is the most pronounced. So we can't really show a view from the couryard where the camera is in the sun. We need a view from the perspective of the experience we are trying to create.

Fun.

Gordon

[Firmso]

I find duplicating this problem very hard. I was able to apply shadow (shaded) in every view I had opened.....Exterior elevation Views, Interior section views, 3d views, etc.
Am I missing something?

[dgraue]

A way around this is to go to your 3d perspective view, go to View Properties, click on Section Box and adjust the section box to a point just beyond where you are standing (camera position)... (you may need to stretch the view window so you can see the section box, then re-adjust the view window back). This should give you the shadows you are looking for without putting everything in shadow.

DG

[patricks]

I find duplicating this problem very hard. I was able to apply shadow (shaded) in every view I had opened.....Exterior elevation Views, Interior section views, 3d views, etc.
Am I missing something?

I placed a 3D Camera on the outside of a building, and then created just a floating roof object above the camera, and sure enough, the entire building was in shadow when I turned on shadows. As soon as I deleted the floating roof above the camera, the shadows on the outside of the building became normal again. Note that the floating roof was about 200 feet away from the outside of the building.

[dgraue]

Here is an example of standing under an overhang looking at a courtyard with the section box turned on...

DG

[jtl]

So am I to understand that it is impossible to generate an interior view with shadows that would accurately show a beam of sunlight coming through a window? (since the camera would have to be in the room) Also, I could not use a section box because the one side of the room would be exposed to the exterior.
This seems a bit ridiculous. Or am I missing something?

Thanks

[truevis]

Actually, that bug seems to have been quietly fixed. Thanks, Adesk!

[SkiSouth]

quite the "sketchup-py" look. Very nice. Thanks for the update.

[truevis]

quite the "sketchup-py" look. Very nice. Thanks for the update.

The plantings in both those images are imports from SketchUp; just to add interesting shadows, of course.