need suggestion on how to create this wall w/ column

[3dsketcher]

if i remember right, i can stretch wall layers in elevation/section. but what is the best way to break the 8" cmu in plan. see attachment

do i really need to create a separate wall just for the cmu to let it end whenever i want to?

and i can't seem to let my exterior skin wrap at turns and on window openings. do i actually just 'cheat' on the actual detail and use filled regions, etc just to make it look right? or maybe yet, just let it call my autocad dwg.

i know some suggestions might be complex but im trying to avoid complex solutions since the actual exterior wall profile is a complex shape by itself.

i hope there is a simple one. :) (wishful thinking)

[Firmso]

if i remember right, i can stretch wall layers in elevation/section. but what is the best way to break the 8" cmu in plan. see attachment

do i really need to create a separate wall just for the cmu to let it end whenever i want to?

and i can't seem to let my exterior skin wrap at turns and on window openings. do i actually just 'cheat' on the actual detail and use filled regions, etc just to make it look right? or maybe yet, just let it call my autocad dwg.

i know some suggestions might be complex but im trying to avoid complex solutions since the actual exterior wall profile is a complex shape by itself.

i hope there is a simple one. :) (wishful thinking)
How would that thing be built actually?
Can you not just show it the way it is meant to be and draw it in as it should be?
Please forgive me for replying with more questions.
Thanks

[greg.mcdowell]

I think this starts to head back to the discussion we had the other day about what is appropriate to model.

Some, like myself, argue that the model is more about relationships than it is about details. Others contend that you can and maybe should model as much of the detail as possible.

If you're in the second camp then yes, you'll need to make an additional wall type to stop the cmu short (or use one for the brick and one for the cmu and join them together).

If, however, you can see your way to thinking about the model a little differently then maybe it's okay that the cmu runs through and let the architectural column (which you haven't modeled yet) explain the intent.

The thinking i use is that if i can't see it at 1/8" (even in medium detail mode though i stick with course for this scale typically) then I don't need to model it... that's what details are for after all.

[3dsketcher]

thanks guys. i tend to be with the former.

my question though is if you do not model it correctly, how will it show correctly in the detail? i still need the void for the column in the detail. so i ended up creating 2 walls. see attachment. is there a way for one wall to follow wall profile (in elevation) of another? that way i don't have to modify it twice?

ive also accepted the fact that i will have to to tweak the sweeps in the detail scales. ive played around with filled regions but i can't hide the lines. any suggestions?

[greg.mcdowell]

my question though is if you do not model it correctly, how will it show correctly in the detail?You're right... it won't... and that's where detail components take over. <g>

The way I look at it, when you're first creating (i.e., cartooning) your detail sheets you can start off just showing the model elements (choosing Normal in the View Properties) since at this point it's just supposed to let you know what you're going to detail later. Then, as you start to actually add the detail components you turn the model to Overlay so that you can align (and possibly lock) information to it. You could leave the model like this (I don't think it will print but haven't actually done any of this yet... it's all theory at this point) or turn the model off if it's in the way.

It may sound like "doing the work twice" (and maybe it is) but I think that, in the long run, it will actually be less work than trying to get the model to hold all of this detail. And, since the model doesn't allow the same level of granularity of keynotes as detail components do, you'll still need them if you plan on keynoting.

Just my thoughts... your mileage my vary.