footing not showing up??

[mkralick]

I am using ADT 2007
I have been trying to use ADT the proper way for some time now. i am self taught. but things like this make it difficult.. hope you can help

I am trying to use "Concrete-8 Concrete-16x8-footing (8" Concrete Wall with
16"x8" Footing)"
the wall is showing up fine but is there some trick to get the footing to show up in plan (or elevation or any where).
hope this is enough info.
any help appreciated
Thank mike

[david_peterson]

I'd start with the cut plane. Make sure that the view down range is looking far enough down to see it.

[mkralick]

Tried that.. it doesnt even show in a 3d view?
any ideas?
Thanks Mike

[david_peterson]

Can you post a copy of said drawing? If you can't, can you copy and paste that problem wall into a new drawing that you've started with the same template for us to trouble shoot with? Knowing that the footing is a part of the wall (assuming that it's the same OOTB wall style I have on my version of 2005) I'm not sure what would cause it to not show up. When you say it dosen't show up in a 3d view, dose the wall not show up either? You check the display rep to make sure that the footing component in turned on. Just some more thoughts.

[mkralick]

Can you post a copy of said drawing? If you can't, can you copy and paste that problem wall into a new drawing that you've started with the same template for us to trouble shoot with? Knowing that the footing is a part of the wall (assuming that it's the same OOTB wall style I have on my version of 2005) I'm not sure what would cause it to not show up. When you say it dosen't show up in a 3d view, dose the wall not show up either? You check the display rep to make sure that the footing component in turned on. Just some more thoughts.

the wall is showing up... just no footings in plan or 3d..
I have tried it in a new dwg.. same results.
i have not altered this style. here is the dwg
Thanks Mike

[david_peterson]

I don't have 2k7 yet so I can't opening it, but here's my 2k5 version. Hope this helps.

[mkralick]

I don't have 2k7 yet so I can't opening it, but here's my 2k5 version. Hope this helps.

Yours works fine.. i even copied it into my dwg.. no problems..very odd?????
i would still like to find out how to fix this.. because none of the footings show up on any of the other wall styles that have footings..
But thanks for the quick fix
Mike

ps. I started a new dwg.. I insert youre wall (with footing) and it showed up.
went to add new wall from pulldwon. and no footing.. maybe this would shed some light on it..
Mike

[david_peterson]

That is odd. Hopefully someone W/ 2k7 can take a look at your drawing. Just to clarify, everything you used in that drawing was out of the box correct? templates, display controll.......ect. Because if it's reproducable, you should report it to Adesk.

[cholmes]

This is one of those things that is a bit annoying to me. When you draw this wall style, in your properties pallete, make sure the "floor line offset from baseline" is set to some negative number (it should go beyond the depth of the footing like 48" or so) It doesn't show up when you select the wall and go to properties, it has to be set while you are drawing the wall.

You can make a tool on a pallette that already has it set, which is what I would recomend.


If you have walls already drawn, you can select them, right click, and modify or edit in place the floor line.

[Jesmith]

I know exactly what you are trying to do, I am having the same problems, but I have found ways to work around it. Although, I haven't found a permanent solution. I found that if you (looking back at your .dwg) move the footing to a positive value it shows up and acts like wall components should. It doesn't like to have components 0 or negative values. I make sure the top of the footing starts at 1/32" instead of 0. You moved the footing down 4" so the top of slab would be at 0. I haven't found a way to get it to work. I am very confused because the out of the box walls and footings don't work either, or do they? Am I missing something. Did you ever get this solved?

[david_peterson]

I personally haven't had this issue because I draw walls and footings as seperate objects. Not the best work around, but it takes away lots of confusion. Also, I put footings and stem walls on seperate constructs. Footings typically go on my level 0 and sog goes on level 1. But then again, I don't do lots of things the way others do. Heck, my last foundation was created from nothing but mass elements. It took a little while for me to figure it out, but once I got going, it was a walk in the park. It solved lots of my solid line vs Hidden line problems. I'm still hoping that the ADT factory guys can take a page out of the Revit tool box when it comes to display. That's one of the things I do like about Revit over ADT. When you draw a slab over the top of wall, the inside face of the wall below shows up hidden over just the portion of wall that is covered by the slab, not the entire object.

[dkoch]

I know exactly what you are trying to do, I am having the same problems, but I have found ways to work around it. Although, I haven't found a permanent solution. I found that if you (looking back at your .dwg) move the footing to a positive value it shows up and acts like wall components should. It doesn't like to have components 0 or negative values. I make sure the top of the footing starts at 1/32" instead of 0. You moved the footing down 4" so the top of slab would be at 0. I haven't found a way to get it to work. I am very confused because the out of the box walls and footings don't work either, or do they? Am I missing something. Did you ever get this solved?
If you set the floor line of the wall below the baseline, you can have wall components below the baseline. One way to do so is to set up a Tool palette tool for your wall style and edit the properties of the tool and set a "Floor line offset" [Item F under Dimensions]. Another way would be to select the wall, right click, and choose Roof/Floor Line > Modify Floor Line from the context menu [which runs the FloorLine command]. If you are in a "3D" view, the "Edit In Place" option may work better for you. A third way would be to select the wall, and on the Properties palette, find the Roof/floor line worksheet under Advanced > Worksheets on the Design tab.

[Jesmith]

I think I got it. Thanks everyone! I think I was missing the roof/floor line offsets. We have tried the using the mass elements it is alot of work for some of our users. I like the wall styles with seperate footings and foundation walls.

[Wayfare]

Chris Holmes: you be the man! His post was a right-on lifesaver. D Koch: very clear and complete explanation.