Hatch pattern conflict in Detail View

[david.metcalf]

Attached it a interesting item pointed out to me about hatching.

Line hatches can be misleading where hatch lines are near the boundary of the detail. Is there a way to control this so that contractors see the hatching as clean as possible?

See example attached with the rigid insulation hatch line at top is too close to the boundary.

Thanks,

[luigi]

I am not sure what is the issue you are having...I mean, I see that a portion of the rigid insulation hatch (horizontal line) is at a different spacing towards the top...

Can you explain the issue more clearly..?

thanks,


Attached it a interesting item pointed out to me about hatching.

Line hatches can be misleading where hatch lines are near the boundary of the detail. Is there a way to control this so that contractors see the hatching as clean as possible?

See example attached with the rigid insulation hatch line at top is too close to the boundary.

Thanks,

[greg.mcdowell]

I think you want to change the, for lack of a Revit word, Base Point for the Pattern and I don't think that's possible for a Drafting Pattern (though it is for a Model Pattern).

on a side note... to make the drawing clearer I would focus on line weight instead. The lines adjoining the different materials could, I think, stand to be a step or two darker... or perhaps the Pattern could be Halftone... or do you have thin-lines turned on <grin>

[kshawks]

I have to agree with Greg. I have run across this issue on projects in the past, my fix is the adjust the line weights and match the hatch/fill pattern a half tone. Since I made this switch no complaints from the guys in the field. They have actually complimented me on how much clearer the details are.

[dbaldacchino]

Halftoning sounds great, but doesn't print well on all printers (sucks because I like to add shadows). And you lose it when making copies. Control over the hatch origin like with model patterns would be great.

[ford347]

I agree. I am a General Contractor and one of the best things I like to do in my plans and I like to see in other's plans are good line weights. It really makes it tough to work off of and bid a set of plans that are all one lineweight, simply because your eyes can't adjust well to the information, especially if there is a lot of it. As in the example, this detail would be cleared or cleaned up considerably by using different lineweights between your different materials like Greg said and I don't think anyone would have a problem 'reading between the lines', so to speak. The only other thing I could think of is adjusting the scale of your drafting pattern until you get it the way you would like to see it, but I could see that getting very tedious and you would end up with multiple patterns to satisfy your different scales between your different views. That's all I've got:)

Josh

[david.metcalf]

Thanks, yeah that was line weight setting off when I screen captured the image to Paintbrush. This is a detail view, so if there is a way to clean up that extra line up near the top of the rigid insulation hatch, is there any ideas?

I catch enough grief from contractors about this item. But then the issue is if lineweight was on then the detail will look muddy and give the contractor pause thinking I am showing two sheets of sheathing and calling out one. Then a RFI is issued clarifying the detail.

Thanks,
David

[greg.mcdowell]

Understandable... perhaps if there were more separation between the elements in question.

For details like this I'll typically put 1/2" (model dimensions of course) or so between flashing and/or membranes and other components so that they really stand out (I try to work it out so that there's as much white space on either side of the line as the line is thick).

The notion that it should be drawn as it's really built starts to fall apart in details... something I can't get the "kids" in my office to understand... and they're not the ones doing CA yet so they haven't had a chance to learn that way either <sigh>

[robert.manna]

The notion that it should be drawn as it's really built starts to fall apart in details... something I can't get the "kids" in my office to understand... and they're not the ones doing CA yet so they haven't had a chance to learn that way either <sigh>
I'll admit to being a "kid" but I have learned the value of "blowing up" details. Which is a bit of a problem in Revit, because if you want to "blow up" a detail, you can't easily make full use of details embedded in families, as their isn't always a good way to get some "extra" space. One good example is curtain wall, if you embed a detail in a mullion, it is hard to account for consturction tolerances and sealant, etc. in how the curtain wall wants to behave relative to a basic wall.

How do other people handle situations like this? Just don't use embeded details?

-R

[Adam Mac]

You can "move" the hatch - in particular your horiz. lines in this case.
Hover over any of the horiz lines and hit "tab" key until it highlights. Then just move it in required direction. If this fails, use ref line/plane at required offset and "align" the horiz. line to the ref line/plane.
This allows you to correctly position tile patterns, masonry wall patterns etc.
I also use a light-grey colour for my hatching just to make it distinguishable.

HTH.

Adam