Wall Joins!!!! help

[ford347]

I am having a terrible time getting these stacked wall joins to work. i have a stacked wall, one wall with 2x4 , int. gyp, ext. stucco, the bottom wall the same except a thin brick wainscott. I have the exterior layers set to wrap at wall ends............and the thin brick, finish 4 or 5 will not wrap. It shows it wrapping int the wall structure section preview, but it wont' in plan view. I have this intersection where the thin brick finish will not wrap.....I have tried this over and over and over. I have even re-drawn the walls. The front wall has the profile edited to allow for a large arched opening. It is a false wall on a garage front. One picture is working fine, I used the wall join tool and used the miter option. If you look closely, the front wall has a little notch in it where it is mitering with the perpedicular ext. wall....but that's ok. The other picture however is the exact same condition on the opposing side, and it will not wrap or join properly. Does anyone have a headache saving trick to join stacked walls properly. It seems like every time I use a stacked wall I have headaches. Frusterating and wastes a lot of time.

Josh -

[robert.manna]

The factory has told us on several occasions that stacked walls are more pain, then useful in complex conditions. It has been recommended to us as firm to generally avoid stacked walls beyond an early design phase, and instead use multiple seperate basic walls stacked on top of each other. They also generally recommended that joins be changed to mitre (even though it isn't the default) wherever possible as walls tend to resolve better with mitres.

HTH,
-R

[ford347]

ok, so the best way to resolve this is to just lock the top and bottom of two seperate walls together and get the stack that way? I'll do it if I get rid of the headaches.

Is the factory planning on trying to resolve the issues with stacked walls? It sure is a nice feature, but if can't behave in multiple situations, then it becomes too time consuming.

Thanks!!

Josh

[robert.manna]

Ah, we don't usually use locks, but yes. Just stack your basic walls on top of each other and adjust their base offset and either top offset or height as required.

The other things we've been told is that while fun, and sometimes helpful contraining stuff in a model is good way to slow things down. Given the size of a typical project in our offices we tend not to constrain very much in the model itself. Which of course means manually fixing more things if something changes, however there are always trade offs.... By not locking our models are faster to re-generate, however if you do lock, you spend less time fixing things, but more time waiting...


Your choice. :)

-R

[ford347]

Thanks for the tip. I have stopped locking things as much too! I would rather fix a few things fast than wait all the time for re-gen! Thanks for the wall tip, maybe I won't need as much asprin now!:lol:

[ford347]

it has been recommended to us as firm to generally avoid stacked walls beyond an early design phase,
I am past my early design phase now and this project is one that will have multiple models, multiple design options etc. It's a large housing track. With that said, I have some more questions concerning stacked walls.

Regarding the quote above, if I use stacked walls in the early design phase, then want to do something different, isn't this going to be difficult? Seems like it has been suggested that if you use stacked walls, don't try and swap them out for basic walls and visa versa. Is this the case? I am at the point where I need to move on with the exterior walls, but this stacked wall issue is one I'm not sure which way to go. I like to tag and schedule my walls in my plans. It seems like if I use basic walls on top of one another, I might not be able to produce a very clean scheudle, representing those walls as one, I would have mulitple walls and the scheudle would become confusing, yeah? This is a design/build project and I would like to utilize Revit as much as possible for CA, i.e. take-offs etc. I have never used the take-off feaure yet, so I'm not quite sure how multiple basic walls would behave as seperates during this process.

If I use stacked walls, would the join shown earlier in this thread be possible to fix? Maybe the factory could get it. Just seems cumbersome to have to keep running into this on every model for this project.

Also, these walls are going to be part of design options, since one of the options is more thin-brick on the ext. veneer. I would need to schedule each and represent each option seperate on the 'B' plan.

So I think I've covered my issues concerning my stacked walls and tried to describe my project as good as I can, some thoughts or suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks ahead of time.

Josh

[robert.manna]

It would be nie if someone besides myself would reply..... :)

I thought there was an easy way to break up a stacked wall after the fact, though I may just be smoking crack.

As far as take-offs, it all depends on how you schedule stuff, if you're looking for total quantities, that is easy, if you need quantities "per wall" then you may need to filter by some sort of ID data, which may invovle a shared parameter or two, may not.

You may want to do a search on threads regarind the use of Revit during CA before you get there, so that you can properly prepare yourself & the model.

Outside of linear feet, wall qaunitities of any kind is one of the things I trust least about Revit's quanitification abilities. Good for rough estimates maybe, but there are just so many variables in my opinion that you can't easily model (especially on large projects) to get a real tight number.

Hope this helps some,
-R

[jcoe]

I thought there was an easy way to break up a stacked wall after the fact, though I may just be smoking crack.


if you select the stacked wall, right-click your mouse button, you can select "Break Up" from the pop-up menu.

[ford347]

thanks....didn't catch that. easy.

Josh