More HVAC Parts

[Techdon1]

Description: Some of the parts such as fans, dampers, louvers and AHU are way to small for an Industrial application where I need at least 60,000 cfm. Then there is the case where theres not enough parts like dust collectors (their is one under cyclone) and their are no roof top units. Basically I would like more parts for HVAC applications.

How used: HVAC INDUSTRIAL and office layouts

Feature Affinity:Content Builder Parametric Parts/MV Parts

[stearnskl]

I agree that there needs to be more parts. I also think it would be nice to have the ability to have ducts bigger than 96" and the fittings that go with them.

[trythefly]

As always, the more parts we can get ootb from Autodesk the better.

[Avatart]

If you think that you have a dearth of parts in the US, try using the UK version! Two taps and a fan! OK, that is a slight exageration, but you get the picture.

What would be really useful would be a really good catalogue of generic parts and some buy-in from Manufacturers to get iDrop content on their websites. Carrier (chillers) have done this, but very few others have bothered at all. What about Valve manufacturers, Fan Coils, Louvres, Lights, etc, etc, etc.?

[benf]

So what do you do when a part is not there? Build a new mvpart or draw a quick rectangle to use as a band-aid?

[Avatart]

So what do you do when a part is not there? Build a new mvpart or draw a quick rectangle to use as a band-aid?I would love to say that I religiously make a new MvPart and publish it to my Intranet catalogue, but the band-aid is the only way to get stuff done on time. :(

I really wish that MvParts and DynBlocks were part of the same thing, then I would be crashing out MvParts like there was no tomorrow.

[trythefly]

So what do you do when a part is not there? Build a new mvpart or draw a quick rectangle to use as a band-aid?

That depends on the part.

If its a custom job specific part that might not be used again I have my clients create simple mvparts.
If it is something we might need again I'll build a nice 3D version and put in our catalogs I have created.

Its a time/use issue really. If I were to try and create every custom part we use that is all I would be doing. Alot of our parts are custom per project.

[Avatart]

If I were to try and create every custom part we use that is all I would be doing. Alot of our parts are custom per project.This is the nature of our business, unfortunately. As the engineering changes (which it is hugely at the moment), the content required changes. The parts we need can never be fully served by a catalogue of out-of-the-box stuff, because most of it is bespoke. The rest comes from such a vast array of off-the-shelf items, that it would take 100 DVD's of data to scratch the surface.

The only solution I can think of is two fold:

Make the creation of parts easier and quicker.
Get much more buy-in from manufacturers, so we can iDrop or download content from their websites.

[trythefly]

The only solution I can think of is two fold:

Make the creation of parts easier and quicker.
Get much more buy-in from manufacturers, so we can iDrop or download content from their websites.


I agree and have a few comments:

1. I think Block Based mvparts are very easy and simple to use. I think Autodesk needs to invest more time in making parametric parts easier to create. Its like having to learn an entire new interface.
2. Manufaturers need to get on the bandwagon. If they want thier products on more drawings they need to create more of the content themselves.

Looks like we are on the same page Collins.

[trythefly]

Is there any list of manufacturers that have i-drop on thier websites? A quick search on Autodesk's site didnt pull anything.

[Avatart]

Is there any list of manufacturers that have i-drop on thier websites? A quick search on Autodesk's site didnt pull anything.I AutoCad, open your Design Centre, go to the DC Online tab, there is some stuff there, but don't get too excited, it isn't much, half of it doesn't work and the rest you have to create an account with the manufacturer to download anything.

I was hoping that the CAD Block Exchange Network (http://cben.net/) would have some stuff, but that doesn't appear to be the case. :(

[Avatart]

1. I think Block Based mvparts are very easy and simple to use. I think Autodesk needs to invest more time in making parametric parts easier to create. Its like having to learn an entire new interface.

Looks like we are on the same page Collins.Whenever I try and create a parametric part, my AutoCad crashes, I have had this effect in 2005, 6 and 7. :(

Yes, we are on the same page (It's Carl BTW ;) )

[trythefly]

From Autodesk:

In-product access to listings/links of manufacturers with i-drop enabled
content is now available through the DesignCenter Online (DCO) feature (ADT
2004, AutoCAD 2004, etc.). The DesignCenter icon is on the Navigation
Toolbar, and the DesignCenter can also be accessed with Ctrl+2 (DesignCenter
Online is the DC Online tab within the DesignCenter).

[trythefly]

Whenever I try and create a parametric part, my AutoCad crashes, I have had this effect in 2005, 6 and 7. :(

Yes, we are on the same page (It's Carl BTW ;) )
Carl -
I can create/edit parametric parts in both ABS versions we have had here. Have you logged that through subscription?

[Avatart]

Carl -
I can create/edit parametric parts in both ABS versions we have had here. Have you logged that through subscription?No, our subscription is handled by our IT dept. By the time I had logged it through them we would be on AutoCad 2012..... :roll:

[Techdon1]

So what do you do when a part is not there? Build a new mvpart or draw a quick rectangle to use as a band-aid?

I usually build the part unless it's a real rush project the I use a rectangle

[rb.72855]

What I don't understand is why all of the parts aren't parametric. Registers and grilles and louvers are the ones I see the most need for. Auto desk is all the time telling us how easy it is to create parametric parts. If it is so easy why aren't all of there parts parametric?

[Avatart]

What I don't understand is why all of the parts aren't parametric. Registers and grilles and louvers are the ones I see the most need for. Auto desk is all the time telling us how easy it is to create parametric parts. If it is so easy why aren't all of there parts parametric?Very good point! I have long wondered why the parts creator and Dynamic Blocks are not more closely related.

[kchenault]

When I finally got training on ABS 2007.1 our trainer (Tony Tedder) told us vendors won't create content because they would have to make it to scale and therefore some info could be "ripped off" by competitors. He and his son helped develop the program and I have seen what the parametric part builder is capable of. Tony had a parametric valve that ranged in size from about 2" - 24" and each had a different handle configuration and body placement. It was unbelievable!

We recently created a VAV box from Titus and an Ambi-Rad radiant tube heater with blower fan. Both are parametric not block based.

If you went to AU last year there is a decent tutorial about creating a Parametric part by Drew Jarvis. It takes you through two different ways to build parts creating a diffuser. This would work for Grilles and simple parts, too. Good Luck everyone because Autodesk is treating ABS/MEP like the red headed step child next to the Revit line. Revit is the "Golden Child' for them.

Also, what we need more of is plumbing and piping design capabilities, not another separate program.

[steelej]

If you think that you have a dearth of parts in the US, try using the UK version! Two taps and a fan! OK, that is a slight exageration, but you get the picture.

What would be really useful would be a really good catalogue of generic parts and some buy-in from Manufacturers to get iDrop content on their websites. Carrier (chillers) have done this, but very few others have bothered at all. What about Valve manufacturers, Fan Coils, Louvres, Lights, etc, etc, etc.?
I was just looking for 3-D Carrier chillers and saw that you said they have an i-drop.
I am interested in finding out where to find that. I didn't see anything on there website.

[Avatart]

I was just looking for 3-D Carrier chillers and saw that you said they have an i-drop.
I am interested in finding out where to find that. I didn't see anything on there website.
Hiya, they are, for reasons best known to Carrier, hosted on the Marinsoft website, you can see who is available here: http://www.marinsoft.com/manufacturers/manufacturers.htm.

[buzz]

I have just started uploading some mvparts, let me know if you have any requests or want to share yours...



-Buzz

[SEETARAMARAJU]

I agree that we requre more HVAC parts There is no option for MV parts for Plate heat exchanger i hope the next version of AMEP will fulfil this.