Two Buildings in One Site

[nsinha73]

I have multiple buildings in One Site Plan. And Each building I want to show them as a seperate "PLAN" when placing on sheets, each with their own "ELEVATIONS"
Thanks in advance guys.

[luigi]

There are a couple of ways....one that might work is to have each building its own file, then linked together for the site plan. The other is to have all buildings in one file and use scope boxes to seperate and control views, levels, grids, etc.

The first main question for you to answer is whether these buildings will be bid as seperate bid packages, or all in one set of Construction documents sharing details, specs, etc.

If they are to be bid seperately, then linking them all together for the siteplan makes the most sense.
If they must be together, then you could use either way....you need to weigh the ConDoc management of multiple documented projects into one vs the size and workability of having a large project file.

Just so that you know, I worked on a Strip Mall that had 5 seperate buildings (2 of them identical) and we had them all in one file, sharing details, and used scope boxes, and of course worksets, and didn't have problems during the DD and CD....

Hope it helps,

[robert.manna]

Just so that you know, I worked on a Strip Mall that had 5 seperate buildings (2 of them identical) and we had them all in one file, sharing details, and used scope boxes, and of course worksets, and didn't have problems during the DD and CD....
Hey Luigi! How much sq footage gross you talking about in that strip mall? Stories? Just curious. We've got a 4 building campus master plan where we're documenting the bldgs and we opted to put them in seperate files with a "master plan" file to bring them together. Of course this leads to some interesting con doc management issues when it comes to sharing details, but I think at the end of the day it has been better to have seperate files. Each building is 2 stories, and non of them are particulary large, maybe 180,000 sq ft total between all the buildings.

Thanks,
-R

[luigi]

Like I said, it really depends on the size and managability of such a large project size...but they were all 1 story, here is the architects page http://www.tiseo.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=RET-Chilson-Commons here is the developers site plan, and I stand corrected, it was actually 7 buildings (does not include Krogger)***(look at my next post) http://www.firstcommercial.net/html/properties/hamburg/plots_hamburg.html and here is their main website for this property http://www.firstcommercial.net/html/properties/hamburg/hamburg.html (I wasn't the designer...btw)

For the exact square footage I would have to look it up. The developer's page shows 121,662...but it shouldn't include Krogger, so I am not sure if it is correct.

Because we had worksets, we were able to open selected worksets for each building and work on the con doc for each building this way...and because of scope boxes we were able to control the visibility of levels, grids and views....one building had to be seperated because it didn't fit on a sheet, so we had 2 scope boxes for the one building, and 1 scope box for each of the other buildings.

I really don't remember having issues...once it was set up properly with worksets and scope boxes.

But there is nothing wrong with the linking of the seperated project, it's just that if it needs to be one bid set, then you will have to have a lot of coordination issues with the index, maybe common details, etc....but still it is a viable solution...



Hey Luigi! How much sq footage gross you talking about in that strip mall? Stories? Just curious. We've got a 4 building campus master plan where we're documenting the bldgs and we opted to put them in seperate files with a "master plan" file to bring them together. Of course this leads to some interesting con doc management issues when it comes to sharing details, but I think at the end of the day it has been better to have seperate files. Each building is 2 stories, and non of them are particulary large, maybe 180,000 sq ft total between all the buildings.

Thanks,
-R

[luigi]

Actually my memory was better than what I saw in the developer's site plan. It is 5 buildings, not 7. The developer is showing the 2 outlots which are for a future development. Sorry for the confusion, but it was a long time ago, and I wasn't emotionally attached to that project.

[robert.manna]

Thanks for the info. As I said just curious on the matter.

Thanks,
-R

[nsinha73]

Thanks guys,
I finally got it. Used the "PHASE" technique. Each Building in it's own phase.

[luigi]

Thanks guys,
I finally got it. Used the "PHASE" technique. Each Building in it's own phase.I guess if it works for you..well it works for you...just becareful when you have common details in the con docs...

[nsinha73]

I guess if it works for you..well it works for you...just becareful when you have common details in the con docs...
Umm, You kinda lost me there. What is it that you mean? I am kindalike a newbee...

[luigi]

It's hard to give an exact example to have you understand...I would ask you to play with 2 objects in different phases and immagine there is a common detail. When you do a floor plan detail, for example, that detail has a specific phase associated with it. So if it is phase 2, the detail won't show in phase 1...things might get lost down the road....
I would personally use either of the 2 methods mentioned, but I am not able to spend the time to check the "phasing" possibility. I just get a "feeling" when I imagine using phasing and common details (callouts, wall sections, interior elevations, etc.) Just be cautious...maybe do a mini example of things you see yourself do in a project, to make sure it behaves properly....or, if somebody with experience suggested this, ask them if there are problems they forsee with common details...good luck
Umm, You kinda lost me there. What is it that you mean? I am kindalike a newbee...

[twiceroadsfool]

We did something similar with just worksets, on a large mall, and its working just fine. 5 buildings all in one file, each with its own workset. Were through the CD's of it, and are now providing Landlord scope of work docs for every space, for the tenants. With all the sheets currently (and theres a TON of sheets), its at about 130 MB. But its still pretty easy to move around in. Not as fast as a new one user file, obviously, but nothing detrimental to the process, by any means.

I wouldnt use phases to separate buildings, as it may limit your potential down the road. The mall above ended up being a multiphase project, and we were able to start using Revits phasing, so as not to worry about coordination across a phase 1/phase 2 model. We did the "separate model for each phase" before, and it wasnt a HUGE hassle, but it WAS more of a hassle. Exterior walls go down, demise walls go up, expansion joints go in place, and then when you get to fit out drawings... Which model does it go in?

The worksets by building is great. i only keep a couple worksets open at a time, and it makes moving in 3d and such very manageable...