Reveal Failed to Cut Wall

[lhanyok]

I am using reveals to show the joints in a metal panel wall system. I am trying to align the joints with the window openings. Sometimes it works other times I get the error message "Could not create Reveal. Failed to cut wall." I attached a screen shot of the situation. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks!

[petervanko]

Is it set up to be cut by inserts?

[lhanyok]

I am modelling the reveals as a host sweep, not through the wall assembly. Is this what you're referring to?

[petervanko]

No, looks like I actually got dialog boxes mixed up...thought that sweeps and reveals had the same initial dialog box.

Well, anyway I had a similar situation with a high rise where I was grouping a series of reveals with the windows. It failed miserably until I did the following sequence: cut clipped the problem windows, inserted the reveal scheme, and then pasted the windows.

I would approach it reveals first and see what happens...

[lhanyok]

I tried cutting out the windows - but I still am having the same problem. I've been able to place them on another facade and align them with windows with no problem - it's the same wall type.

[petervanko]

Are the reveals continuous onto other walls, or have you been selecting "start next". In other words, how extensive are the reveals...do they wrap the entire building or jump facades?

[lhanyok]

I've been using "Start Next."

[petervanko]

Hmmmm...I'm out of ideas.

On a personal note and as a fellow Balto guy, are you @ RTKL?

[lhanyok]

Hmmmm...I'm out of ideas.

On a personal note and as a fellow Balto guy, are you @ RTKL?

Still, thanks for your suggestions. And no, I'm not at RTKL, I'm with Hord Coplan Macht.

[petervanko]

Cool. Best of luck...

[dbaldacchino]

Just a suggestion....I think placing a model line on the face of your wall is enough, instead of adding host sweeps. I know that if a wall moves you have to move the lines again manually. This is how I've showed plaster reveals and gyp C.J.'s before....makes the model "lighter".

[lhanyok]

Yeah, I was just starting to think that model lines would be the better way to go. Thanks for confirming!

Laura

[lhanyok]

The problem I'm now having with using model lines is that I'm ending up with a ton of reference planes for each wall face (the building has bays clad in metal panels). Is there something I'm missing here, or am I going about it the right way?

[dbaldacchino]

You don't need to place any ref. planes. Just select the option to Pick Plane and select the wall face as your workplane....Tab through until the finish face is highlighted, then click.

[petervanko]

Definitely a good direction! And you could group them, too, so they would act as one.

[lhanyok]

Just select the option to Pick Plane and select the wall face as your workplane....

Thanks! I knew I was missing something obvious...

[captainbunsaver]

Why not use a surface pattern of solely vertical lines spaced apart at the corect distance?

TC

[lhanyok]

After this discussion, I decided to work with model lines (I decided against a surface pattern since the panel size will vary.) Everything was working as I expected until now.

I have placed a steel beam in front of the wall where I have used model lines on the surface. In elevation everything looks fine (as in the first attachment), but in perspective, the model lines are showing through the beam (2nd attachment). I have verified that the work plane of the lines is the face of the wall, and the beam sticks out from the wall. Any suggestions aside from splitting the lines so they don't cut through the beam?

Thanks!
Laura

[dbaldacchino]

I think the problem is that the model lines are touching the web of the beam....this is a visibility issue that Revit seems to have (which is on my List of frustrating Revit quirks). I notice this happening all the time on roofs....the beams and joists below show through in a 3D shaded or hidden line view. If you plan on using these 3D views, your easiest solution might be to use the linework tool and making those segments invisible.

[lhanyok]

If you plan on using these 3D views, your easiest solution might be to use the linework tool and making those segments invisible.

I gave your suggestion a try, but I couldn't use the linework tool on the lines in a 3D view.

I don't need any of the structural information from the beam, so would it be more advantageous for me to create the channel as a family? I thought of using some sort of hosted sweep, but it works as a structural piece for the floor of a balcony, and then continues to run in front of an adjacent wall to tie the two elements together.

[dbaldacchino]

Oh that's right...my bad. Should have remember that as I tried it myself :Oops: I had instances in elevation where linework showed through other elements where it shouldn't have (such as joined ceilings and walls) and I used the linework tool to clean them up. The issue in the 3D view is a bit different and sometimes when you zoom in all the way, the errant lines disappear.

I don't think it'll matter if you create other families. This seems to be a visibility related issue when two elements touch. So you either live with it, or if you're using the 3d views, you'll have to split the lines or have a gap between the elements (don't male them touch)

I suggest you file an SR about this....the more they hear about it, the better the chances of it being fixed.

[lhanyok]

Thanks for your help. It's not the end of the world to split the lines since there aren't too many of them.

Thanks again,

Laura

[JB27]

More than 10 years later, this still seems to be a problem. I was getting this message in Revit 2017 when trying to host vertical reveals to certain walls. If I would copy the wall out, the reveals would appear, but wouldn't show up in the original wall where I put them. I finally realized that my walls were attached to the roof, which was causing the problem. If I detach them from the roof, the reveals work just fine. However, when I reattach them, the error message pops up--even if the reveals are not going to the top of the wall where it attaches. I'm not sure if this is a quirk of 2017, or just a lingering issue that's never been addressed. Unfortunately, I've already done my horizontal reveals as well as the verticals on the 3 sides that have a parapet, so switching to model lines at this point would mean recreating all of those. I'll remember that for next time though.