Phases of construction.........

[aliya14]

Hello everyone,
I have to show phases of construction for this project wherein i want to show the 1st phase as structural columns,slabs , then just brick walls and then wall plaster...
i tried it out using phases wherein i cud acheive the 1st phase with columns, then 2nd with slabs n beams ,& then brick walls but i am not able to acheive it for the plasters on wall because the plaster is a layer withen the wall ,is there a way out where i cud actually phase the plaster separately from the brick walls.
Awaiting for the response at the earliest,
Kind Regards,
Aliya........

[dhurtubise]

You can define 2 walls, one without the plaster and the other only with plaster and draw them separately. Then use join geometry to join them to allow openings to cut through both.

[kpaxton]

You can define 2 walls, one without the plaster and the other only with plaster and draw them separately. Then use join geometry to join them to allow openings to cut through both...just to clarify what Daniel said... "with each wall type assigned to a different phase."

Kyle

[dhurtubise]

Thanks for the clarification Kyle :-)

[aliya14]

Thanx for the prompt response...
Just wanted to clarify that r you talking of making 2 different wall styles of different thk and then drafting..i.e: 9: for brick wall and 1/2" for the plaster.?
Kind Regards,
Aliya

[dbaldacchino]

Yes, basically you're making a wall type for the interior finish and structural parts of the wall that represent one phase in you case, and another wall type for the exterior finish. This brings up a really good example of why we need to phase layers within walls. You're not the first one brining this issue up. Contractors need this feature. In fact, Laura Handler (http://www.bimx.blogspot.com/) once talked about the need to model each layer in a wall as a separate wall (which no architect in the right mind will ever do!) since it's too time consuming and we care mostly about the finished assembly. Being able to assign phases to wall layers would satisfy the requirements of both Architects and Contractors.

[Brian Myers]

As I understand it (and the solution I gave to a client that had a similar problem) you may draw these walls in different phases as well. In other words, have two walls styles, each drawn in different phases, but in the same location. Using this you can give the appearance of the same wall with materials added to it in the next phase when in reality you have two walls drawn in the exact same location viewed in different phase states. As David mentions, layer phases within the walls themselves would create a better solution if it were available than having walls drawn in different phases as I'm suggesting.

[ron.sanpedro]

Yes, basically you're making a wall type for the interior finish and structural parts of the wall that represent one phase in you case, and another wall type for the exterior finish. This brings up a really good example of why we need to phase layers within walls. You're not the first one brining this issue up. Contractors need this feature. In fact, Laura Handler (http://www.bimx.blogspot.com/) once talked about the need to model each layer in a wall as a separate wall (which no architect in the right mind will ever do!) since it's too time consuming and we care mostly about the finished assembly. Being able to assign phases to wall layers would satisfy the requirements of both Architects and Contractors.

This also comes up in remodel work when you are going for LEED certification, or just doing good sustainable work. You need to know how much finish, interior and exterior, you are going to demo, what can be recycled and what is truly waste, and how much new finish you need. It would be nice if Revit actually helped do this. This is where Revit has the potential to really make a difference environmentally, and where AutoCAD could just never be of any use at all.

Also, if finishes are independently phaseable, perhaps they could be independently controllable in other ways. Imagine a house with 2X6 exterior and 2X4 interior walls. All rooms but the dining room will get a gyp finish. But the dining room is going to get a true plaster finish. Now I need 4 wall types, exterior w/ gyp interior finish, and exterior w/ plaster interior finish, plus two interior wall type, gyp both sides and plaster one side. And the exterior wall is going to be separate segments, rather than a single long piece of wall. Not at all what is really going to be built. With finishes as instance based items, you could have just Interior and Exterior wall types, with a default interior finish of Gyp, then you come back and change the finish in the dining room. Sweet! Or imagine a single wall type for interior walls, and then I can just add a second layer of gyp in the one room that needs it. Ideally this would be defined in the wall in such a way that tags work automatically. I could define the extra gyp layer as a ".1" modifier in the wall type, so when I add the layer the tag and schedules update appropriately. Oh, and insulation! No insulation is the standard wall, and sound bats are "*", no need to create a new wall style, I just change a particular instance of wall to the sound batt "flavor". Cool! And floors and roofs could/should be the same!

Hmm... the possibilities are endless.
Gordon