I'd like to see a system variable option for copy - Merged Threads

[Hippigypsy]

I was reading a previous post on the pedit command, and was going to post there - am I the only one that doesn't like the multiple copy in 2005? I'd like to be able to toggle it on and off.
Cathryn

[BrenBren]

I was reading a previous post on the pedit command, and was going to post there - am I the only one that doesn't like the multiple copy in 2005? I'd like to be able to toggle it on and off.
Cathryn
I agree. I think this should be combined with the variable to set multiple for pedit as well.

Ideally, you should be able to select whether you want a command to run multiple or not

[Glenn Pope]

I would go for that. Make it consistent across the board for any command that use a multiple selection.

[mandrews]

Sorry to disagree but I think the new way rocks - single copy & just click enter - two or more without typing M in - this has been on my wish list since 1987.

[Glenn Pope]

Sorry to disagree but I think the new way rocks - single copy & just click enter - two or more without typing M in - this has been on my wish list since 1987.

You would still have this functionality. The system variable would just allow the few ;-) that don't like this feature to turn it off.

[Scott.Baumann]

You would still have this functionality. The system variable would just allow the few ;-) that don't like this feature to turn it off.

Additionally, there would be a command line switch to override on a per instance basis. So I would normally copy (single) with the option of doing a multiple every time I start the command.

Just to stir the hornets, why should the additional step be put on the single copy instance? If a person is going to make multiple copies of an object, isn't it worth pressing the "m" key?

[Glenn Pope]

Just to stir the hornets, why should the additional step be put on the single copy instance? If a person is going to make multiple copies of an object, isn't it worth pressing the "m" key?
:evil: You done it now. You just had to mess with the hornets :D
Just trying to save a click. Saving a click here or there can add up to a lot of clicks. Maybe ever a hour worth of clicks. 8-)

[ntaylor]

Sorry to disagree but I think the new way rocks - single copy & just click enter - two or more without typing M in - this has been on my wish list since 1987.You missed the point of the original post which was to give people a choice.
Regards - Nathan

[Ed Jobe]

This thread seemed like a good opportunity for a poll, so I added one. Hope you don't mind. This way adesk can get a good idea which way they need to go. Chime in!

[Scott.Baumann]

Thanks, Ed.

There really is no other way to meet all the needs of everyone, short of the telepathic input feature. Sysvar to set default behavior with the ability to override each time the command is used. Sweet.

[mjfarrell]

One already has the ability to copy single or multiple,
if one employs the use of Grips, and toggles through the
available commands with the space bar.
Also given that the right-click functionality offers PEDIT as and
option if one had selected a polyline object, then next command would
be an offer to repeat the previous command(Pedit) so it to is
already offered in either single or multiple mode.
Maybe, I'm missing it, only why would we want yet another system
variable to set when this functionality already exists?

[Ed Jobe]

Well, I think its not a matter of the availabilty of a function, but how the interface works. As it happens, most of my work usually requires only a single copy. Now I have to hit return twice all the time. So the sysvar would not control any option, but how they are presented to the user...a user options option. :-)

[BrenBren]

This arose from the copy command defaulting to multiple. And while that may be great for 50% of the people, the other 50% want it to default to single copy. If you have the ability to EASILY choose what it defaults to (without creating buttons or routines) it would make everybody happy.

If you can then set what commands you want to default to single and what to default to multiple, you have ever greater flexibility in easily making AutoCAD work best for you.

Since everyone does things their own way, the more customizable the program is, the better it will accommodate everyone, and by making it simple to customize these commands, it will make it more user friendly for everyone.

[Hippigypsy]

Thanks, Ed.

There really is no other way to meet all the needs of everyone, short of the telepathic input feature. Sysvar to set default behavior with the ability to override each time the command is used. Sweet.
Personally, I would prefer the telepathic input feature..lol

[ntaylor]

In the other poll on this topic I think two of the options when looked at closely would not benefit anyone.

Hi Nathan

I'd like to see a system variable option for copy (http://forums.augi.com/showthread.php?t=4499)

Please excuse the edit, I've added the above link that takes you to the topic that you refer to; hopefully it helps tie things together nicely.

Thanks, Mike

They are:
2006A: The command would add the option for single mode.
2006C: Add the option for single mode and a sysvar to control what's offered.
My reasoning:
The original single mode method had a multiple option so people could select multiple objects.
The new multi mode method means you have to hit an extra key.
The suggested option for single mode would mean hitting extra keys to get into single mode thus providing no advantage over the new multi mode.

Regards - Nathan

[Ed Jobe]

Hi Nathan. If the options wouldn't benefit anyone, then don't vote for them. That's the whole idea of a poll. When I put those options there, I just put in all the possible actions that could be taken. It doesn't mean I like them all or agree with them. The purpose is to give others the opportunity to vote for them. If no one votes for them, great. Then we have proved that they are not the way adesk should go. If you leave those options out, then it could be questioned later (not that this is THE difinitive answer :-) ).

Your comments could have been made within that thread (and are welcome) to justify your vote. Creating a new poll harms the effort of the other poll, in that you would force people to vote twice. Then you wouldn't have a true picture of how popular an option really is if you had to try to consolidate both polls to get a single picture. I would like to suggest that you add your comments to the other thread and then delete this one. If you need assistance, just pm me.

[ntaylor]

Hi Ed,
I am happy for you to add my comments to the other thread and delete this one.
The point I was making is that as two of the options are completely unnecessary and with the addition of qualifications for each option not only is it a simpler poll but people might think about what is best for everyone rather than just what they prefer.
The post in which someone referred to an option was for entering mutiple mode when in single which is how the old command worked.
Regards - Nathan

[Wanderer]

Hi Ed,
not only is it a simpler poll but people might think about what is best for everyone rather than just what they prefer.Regards - Nathan
Nathan, thanks for trying to simplify and clarify on this topic.

I will say this, however, that the point of the wishlist is for individuals to say what they want.
I work in FM, and what works for 90% of people won't work for me, but, that doesn't stop me from asking for it, and that is what this forum is for. I don't know about anyone else, but, I make wishes for me, not for the other millions of users out there. :grin:

[ntaylor]

Nathan, thanks for trying to simplify and clarify on this topic.

I will say this, however, that the point of the wishlist is for individuals to say what they want.
I work in FM, and what works for 90% of people won't work for me, but, that doesn't stop me from asking for it, and that is what this forum is for. I don't know about anyone else, but, I make wishes for me, not for the other millions of users out there. :DI don't want to stop people saying what they want I just want them to think about how it effects other people and whether they would be just as happy with an answer they should please most people.
A lot of people were very happy when copy went multiple but a lot of people were extremely annoyed. I wonder if those voting to keep it the way it is or change it back to the way it was have a reason for not wanting to provide a method that should please most people.

I should have added another option to the poll which is to have seperate commands e.g. currently there is PEDIT & MPEDIT.

Regards - Nathan

[Wanderer]

I should have added another option to the poll which is to have seperate commands e.g. currently there is PEDIT & MPEDIT.
Regards - Nathan
so, copy or mcopy, huh? I'd never have thought of that. :smile: That's a good idea!

[Ed Jobe]

That's kind of the point I was making about offering all possible choices. Not a very fair election if you only have one candidate. Also, with the poll having more options, its not like your 3 are absent. The voters will make the call.

You offerered to add your comments to the other thread, but since you havn't yet, would you mind if I simply merged the two threads?

[ntaylor]

That's kind of the point I was making about offering all possible choices. Not a very fair election if you only have one candidate. Also, with the poll having more options, its not like your 3 are absent. The voters will make the call.

You offerered to add your comments to the other thread, but since you havn't yet, would you mind if I simply merged the two threads?
As I stated earlier I am a happy for you to add my comments to that thread and delete this one.

I know one of the options I maintain is pointless had a few votes. I nearly voted for this one until I looked at it really closely and realised it is pointless. This is why I think they should be removed and so far no one has argued a reason for wanting these options.

Regards - Nathan

[ntaylor]

so, copy or mcopy, huh? I'd never have thought of that. :smile: That's a good idea!Thanks. Maybe before this sort of poll is added we should discuss what options we would like, why we think we would like the option and what impacts the option would have. After maybe a week of discussion the Moderators could compile a poll with clear explanations so people can make a well informed decision.

:wink: Nathan

[mjfarrell]

The 'option' for single or multiple technically
already exists if one choses to employ GRIP
editing, instead of reaching for the Copy, Move,
Rotate, or Mirror commands on the tool bar.
This great feature was first introduced in release 12
and is highly under-utilized by most users IMHO.
It requires no options to be set and no additional keyboard entry
to enable it's functionality.

[Ed Jobe]

You got your wish Nathan, your poll is it. Others who had voted in the previous poll, sorry, could you please vote again in this one if you already havn't. Thank you.

Note for the mods: It makes a difference which thread you pick first. That one becomes the main starter thread.

[Wanderer]

Thanks. Maybe before this sort of poll is added we should discuss what options we would like, why we think we would like the option and what impacts the option would have. After maybe a week of discussion the Moderators could compile a poll with clear explanations so people can make a well informed decision.

:wink: Nathan
You're absolutely right! Anytime anyone wants to do that, I'd be happy to help out.

Just cause I'd like to hear everyone else's ideas for options rather than just, I don't like this. Most times people will come up with obvious stuff that adesk just never even thought of.

[ron.weir70957]

I don't see why this is causing so much controversy. This is no different from several other commands (e.g., OFFSET), which are repetitive by default. Certainly there are occasions on which you only want to copy once; so you just hit return, or right click. But for many of us, we prefer to insert one symbol, and then copy it multiple times. Is it really such a nuisance to hit enter when you're done copying?

[Ed Jobe]

If it wasn't such a nuisance, then why did "many of us" clammer for the change? Picking "Multiple" was only one click away...that's not much of a nuisance. :-) If they didn't change the command, would you still feel that way? Many wrote their own command to make multiple the default. Since they "fixed" it, now I have to write a new command to make it work the way it did. The issue is, since they went and changed it, they should not have made it so that you are forced to work only one way. The requested sysvar would eliminate any controversy.

[ntaylor]

Thanks Ed,
I am sorry I have been such a nuisance. A lot of good discussion has been generated though.
:-D Nathan

[BrenBren]

Ed, you can, however, modify the poll. You could add the other two options to the existing poll...

[BrenBren]

The more I use copy in 2005, the more I wish I could turn OFF the multiple mode. I can't tell you how many times I have ended up with 3 of something when I only wanted 1, and then I have to undo and redo it. I know, it is simply another click to end the command, but old habits die hard, and I am very used to single copy.

Just me complaining because I just did this like 4 times in a row...sigh..you would think I would learn :)

[Wanderer]

The more I use copy in 2005, the more I wish I could turn OFF the multiple mode. I can't tell you how many times I have ended up with 3 of something when I only wanted 1, and then I have to undo and redo it. I know, it is simply another click to end the command, but old habits die hard, and I am very used to single copy.

Just me complaining because I just did this like 4 times in a row...sigh..you would think I would learn :)
I guess that could get on your nerves after a while. Me, I've been happy as a clam. It is pretty rare that I only make one instance of something, and I copy all day long. I never could get that thing down having to press M before you copy. :razz: So, don't feel bad about never learning.

I still cast my vote for having a system varible though. :grin:

[lcamara]

Is this something that was fixed with SP1? My AutoCAD 2005 shows the previous behavior. Was this a 2004 "bug"? (we're skipping from 2002 to 2005)

To pitch in my opinion:

I usually only copy once.
The "M" is a bit of a stretch for my index finger, but manageable. I have all the common commands mapped to the left-side keys (I touch type - keep my left hand on the keyboard & move my right back & forth). "CV" is my copy (since Ctrl-C & Ctrl-V is copy & paste, and that is what the autocad command does).
Adding a click (at the end) to every single copy command doesn't make sense to save a keystroke and click at the beginning of every multiple copy command.

On the flip side, many times I go through the prompts so fast that I've already picked a base point before I realize that I could really use a multiple copy. Adding a "Multiple" option to the "specify second point" prompt would be nice.

[kryptonite_186]

I think it is great to have the multiple copy as the default just because I would much rather do an extra click to end the command v.s. typing an M every time you want multiple mode. I do see how annoying it would be though if I preferred the opposite so I voted for the system variable option.

This thread also reminded me of an multiple option that Microstation uses for its move parallel (offset) command. So I think I will start a thread on that too... especially considering the amount of controversy this thread has started. ;)