Door Schedule, To and From Rooms, and Phasing

[s.messing]

Though I am a little embarrassed to admit it, I still don't think I have a full grasp of how phasing interacts with scheduling. Here's my situation:
Door Schedule shows New Doors and their To Rooms and From Rooms
Some To and From Rooms aren't showing up. I immediately check for room separation lines overlapping walls (this turns out to be the number one reason for many problems in Revit). Nuthin.
Then, I go through the usuals, and end up thinking that phasing is probably the culprit. Am I right? How do I fix it?
I know that there is an existing door that is demolished in Phase: Demo
and I know that there is a new door placed in Phase: New Construction. Somewhere between the beginning and the end of this process my door(s) lose their To and From designation.

I have attached pictures to clarify...

Thanks for any help you can offer.
Cheers,
Stephen

post script: sorry if this is redundant. I searched and couldn't find this exact subject, though there is certainly lots of good stuff about To and From, Schedules, and Phasing out there already...

[Melarch]

If I read and understood your screen shots correctly, you created a phase for your demolition. This is not the way Phasing is intended to work with respects to demolition.

First, you have existing elements, as-builts, etc in views set to Exitsing. Then you create new work in views set to New Construction Phase. The using the Demolition tool you demolish existing elements/components in the New Construction phase views. This creates a condition for those elements/components from the prior (early phase) in which the Phase filters can display your demolished elements/components in a view set to one of the Phase Filters for existing-demo or new demo, etc.

Demo is was not actually meant to be a phase but a condition for elements between phases.

This should help clean up your scheduled elements/components as schedules are set to the phase you want to report specific elements/components. But if you have an additional phase, Demo, you have created an additional time or phase gap between an element/component in the scheduled phase.

Mel Persin, AIA

[s.messing]

Demo is was not actually meant to be a phase but a condition for elements between phases.

Thank you for your feedback. You are right on the money about not needing a demo phase. I should have been more clear. There was no demo phase in the file originally (and no need for one). I added that demo phase the other day as a test and never removed it. I was convinced that Revit could not find the To and From rooms because of some sort of phasing issue (I thought maybe there was some kind of phase/ door overlap). So I added demo and moved some doors onto it to see if that would clear up the To From issue. It did not and I never changed it back. I have changed it back now, but the schedule still has some huge holes in it (including the same doors from the screenshots)

So, thank you for your help. Do you (or anybody else) have any more To From Doors scheduling tips and tricks? I still think it's a phasing issue, but I am having trouble moving forward.

Thank you for any additional help that you can offer.

Cheers,
Stephen

[aretap]

I am not for sure on this one but think the issue is in the fact that after a door has been placed it cannot be moved. If the door is moved then the "To"/"From" room parameter is lost forever. You would then have delete the door and then reinsert it. I may be off a little though, in that you may actually have to delete the whole schedule and recreate it (This seems a little extreme so I am again going with my latter comment).

If I am wrong I REALLY hope someone will help out. My firm has been wanting to use this feature forever and have never been able to get it to really be a reliable and functional tool!!!

[aretap]

OK Ok - so you really had me trying to figure this one out. I did not fully read your issue when I replied and assume you realize the flip flaw in the to/from deal.

I was able to duplicate your issues and I think I might know what is causing it. If you check to see if the room still exists in that phase you are scheduling it in verse the view you are seeing in plan. For example: If you have the schedule set to existing (for simplicity sake all the view are set to show all) it will then only show the existing doors and their respective existing rooms. But if you accidentally deleted one of the existing rooms and then changed your plan view to new construction and to show all you will see rooms in the plan but they are not existing rooms they are new rooms thus the door will not be able to read them.



I hope this is making sense I am not the most poetic with typed instruction.



Basically, a new door will only read a new room and an existing door will only read an existing room and what I think may have happened is that along the way the new room was deleted and your plan view is set to existing and the existing room is showing up in the view.



From what I understand rooms are not affected by the phase filter only why what phase the view is set too. That is why a view set to existing phase and show New Filter will show the existing rooms not the New.



Hope that helps!!

[s.messing]

Basically, a new door will only read a new room and an existing door will only read an existing room and what I think may have happened is that along the way the new room was deleted and your plan view is set to existing and the existing room is showing up in the view.

This is excellent research! Thank you for your information. I am looking into it now. All I can say is that this specific issue appears not to be mine. All of the rooms (as far as I can tell) in my project are Created in New. I will attach some images for you.

I still think the issue is phasing, but I have no proof (yet). If you look at the original images, there is something weird going on with the wall. I have seen/ heard that there can be problems reading room information when walls overlap (similar reasons to the room separation lines overlapping).

I thank you for your feedback and will continue to accept ideas/ opinions/ anything to help me figure this one out.

Cheers,
Stephen

[aretap]

What phase is the schedule set at??

[s.messing]

I have a schedule set at existing phase to show existing doors, a schedule set at new construction to show new. There's another that is existing to remain that shows all existing but filters out those to be demoed and not reinserted. This door (and a couple of the others) are existing in a place where they will be removed and replaced (after changing the swing direction. So, in some of these cases, the wall itself will be demoed and replaced with a new wall. In others, the wall will remain and just the door moved and placed in the same instance facing a different direction.
This information will either clarify on confuse, but there it is...

Cheers,
Stephen

[sandovala]

Sorry if this is a dumb question,

Where is this parameter come from and how can I apply it? To Rooms and From Rooms

[sandovala]

Nevermind, Im an idiot, found what I was looking for. Thanks