Revit 2008 hiding my crop region?

[james.detzel]

Most of my quandaries from Revit have been solved by searching previous posts, but this one has me at a loss. The crop region in the attached plan is missing in action despite having "Show Crop Region" turned on. Interestingly, the crop region shows up when I activate the "Reveal Hidden Elements" button, which is my current workaround. Anyone have an idea as to what might be hiding my crop region?

[aaronrumple]

I'm guessing this was a file upgraded from a past version?

[Mr Spot]

In a previous release someone has used "hide annotation in view" on the crop region. You can use your reveal hidden elements tool, select the crop region and select "unhide element" in your status bar.

HTH.

[james.detzel]

Yes, this file was upgraded from 9.1 to Revit 2008. I tried to select the crop region with "Reveal Hidden Elements" turned on, but there was not an option to "Show Annotation" when I right-clicked. The crop region did not appear to be hidden by element, either. I'm still perplexed.

[sfaust]

you should be able to right click and go to "unhide in veiw->element". Name has changed a little in 2008, but that should do it.

[dbaldacchino]

From his images, it doesn't seem that the crop region is actually hidden. Notice how it's shown as a halftone...if it was hidden it would have shown as a solid. So it might be an upgrading issue.

[lafe]

I have had this problem when I have used the "hide at scales coarser than" option under view properties. If that is set to be coarser than the current view is, you can't see the crop region.

To be clearer, that option is for whether the callout for this view is seen in other views. However, if it is set to be coarser than this view itself, it hides the crop region. Which sort of makes sense, I guess.

It has normally happened to me when I have selected a bunch of elevations whose markers I didn't want visible and just set it to be really coarse so I didn't have to know exactly what scale to use. Then I found that I couldn't change the crop region, and had to go back and set it to be just higher than the scale of the elevations themselves.

Hope this helps.

[dbaldacchino]

You're correct. That's a bug in fact (I filed that one not long ago). It's a bug under both RB9.1 and RAC2008. I didn't test to see if it was the case also with plan callouts, but I wouldn't be surprised. If it is, then to get your crop region back, change the scale of your callout view or just change the "Hide at scales coarser than" parameter to the scale of the callout or coarser.

[james.detzel]

Sorry about the earlier confusion, I now realize "hide element" replaced "hide annotation in view".

Regarding "hide at scales coarser than", isn't that only a property of detail views? This plan is not a callout nor dependent of another view. I did try to find the "hide at scales coarser than" option in the view properties just in case, but no luck.

[dbaldacchino]

You're right....only detail callouts set to show in intersecting views have that option. It sounds like you might want to notify support about this.

[james.detzel]

Will do. Thanks for the help trying to solve this riddle.

[david.fannon]

Any word on this issue? It's a biggie. We have the same problem on some views in our upgraded files, but I can say with certainty that nobody used the old "hide annotation in view" on the crop regions. I tried the hide at scales coarser and that didn't do anything either.

Other thoughts?

[wcaramella]

I am also having visibility issues, but with my detail call-outs. I went through the standard measures: checked VG, call-outs are on; Unhide Elements, nothing to unhide; Toggled on Reveal Hidden Elements, no detail call-outs to be revealed.

This is a file that was recently upgraded from RB 9 to Revit 2008. Before the upgrade, I had turned off Call-outs in VG. After the upgrade, in 2008, the Call-outs toggle is turned on in VG for all plan views, but the Detail Call-outs are not visible (however, the Plan Call-outs are). When I toggle Reveal Hidden Elements light bulb, no Detail Call-outs are revealed, but they exist somewhere because all the views are present in the browser. The strange thing is is that I can draw a Detail Call-out in Level 2 Plans and see the call-out bug, but not in any other plan views. In Wall Section they are visible as well.

When I draw a detail call-out in plan, the detail is created and a warning message pops up saying that the call-out is not visible and the I should check parameters, VG, etc. for settings. I'm at a loss. Any thoughts beyond the above mentioned?

Thanks,
WC

[guy.messick825831]

Hi All,

O.K., I've been working on this with both my vendor & Autodesk - my situation is: I have a medium/large project, 68,000 s.f. library, converted from 9.1 to 2008. If I create a new section (building, wall, what have you) I was getting a view with no crop region, even though the correct "buttons" were on. If you clicked the "Reveal Hidden Elements" button, you could see the crop region shaded, and manipulate it. In all existing sections the crop region is fine. So, problem reported, Autodesk says it's a bug to fixed in the next release. BUT - if I create a view template with an existing section that works, then apply to the new ones that don't show the region, voila, the crop region appears. Weird.

[aaronrumple]

Yep. We all knew Revit wan't backward compatible. Now its not forward compatible.

[dbaldacchino]

LOL, nice one. Aren't you positive now Aaron? ;) Wasn't this an issue during Beta too? I thought they said it was getting fixed before the release, but it seems not.

[aaronrumple]

I thought it was fixed. No warning in the readme file and new projects seemed to work fine. So - trusting Autodesk - I migrated a project over. Bad news. Autodesks solution is just for us to redraw all the references. Who has budget for that?

[dbaldacchino]

So I guess projects that started on 9.1 will have to stay in 9.1 to avoid these issues. This bites.

[sbarnecut]

Workaround:
Click the Reveal Hidden Elements lightbulb on the bottom of the window. The crop region will appear. Right clicking and choosing Unhide in View > Elements will not work. However, you can go right ahead and manipulate the crop region while you're in the Reveal Hidden Elements mode. This crop region won't appear outside of this mode, but at least you can modify the size of your crop region.

[Steve_Stafford]

Latest build purports to fix this issue.

[dhurtubise]

Yes it does but i think its not fixing project that have already been upgraded with the first build?

[Wesley]

It's supposed to - try hitting the audit button as you open the file up in the new build (20070524_1700)

[dhurtubise]

Did you tried it, or it's just a suppose to ?
Let me know please

[Wesley]

Actually, our files did not have this problem... but speaking with development they said it would 'fix it', not that it would prevent it from occuring from now on. As we are now running the new 2008 build, I can't actually go back and retest... sorry.