In-roads

[thighfill]

Looking for a person or company in the st. louis area that is still using IN-roads for help with an old project. Please contact me a thighfill@zambrana.com

We use AutoCAD and Geopac and can find no one who still has a license for in-roads. Any leads would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Tom

[Mike.Perry]

Hi Tom

Please note I've *moved* this Topic (Thread) from the AutoCAD General Forum (http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=120) to this one.

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I've not deleted this Thread (please be aware this may well change) as at present there seems to be some general confusion as to this so called "gray area". Hopefully some clearly Guidelines will appear soon.

Thanks for your understanding,

Mike

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[SteveChestnut]

Tom,

Try calling Bentley at 1-800-778-4277. They should be able to look at records and tell you who
is maintaining IN-ROADS in St. Louis.

Steve

[mjfarrell]

One could send those files to a Land/MAP user
and have them convert the DGN files in DWG files,
do the design revisions in ACAD, then convert them back
into DGN files.

[mjfarrell]

Hi Tom

Please note I've *moved* this Topic (Thread) from the AutoCAD General Forum (http://forums.augi.com/forumdisplay.php?f=120) to this one.

Below comes from the Forum Usage Guidelines (http://www.augi.com/forums/m.asp?m=4780&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1) -

<snip>
Feel free to discuss employment prospects, but do not post job descriptions or resumes in messages to the Forum.

Do not post advertising or self promotional material or links to them to the Forum. We realize that there is a gray area where it may be necessary to do so to provide technical solutions. We also recognize blatant self promotion. To advertise on AUGI, please contact the Augiworld Magazine staff.
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I've not deleted this Thread (please be aware this may well change) as at present there seems to be some general confusion as to this so called "gray area". Hopefully some clearly Guidelines will appear soon.

Thanks for your understanding,

Mike

Forum Moderator


Mike clear guidelines or not, I did not see this persons post as being anywhere
near the 'grey' area you describe. I wonder do you look at any of the post in the
Revit forums? Grey area indeed, there is or was a post in there wherein the poster
simply said The AUGI rules do not apply to us because we are using Revit
and if anyone doesn't like it well too bad.

[BrenBren]

Mike clear guidelines or not, I did not see this persons post as being anywhere
near the 'grey' area you describe. I wonder do you look at any of the post in the
Revit forums? Grey area indeed, there is or was a post in there wherein the poster
simply said The AUGI rules do not apply to us because we are using Revit
and if anyone doesn't like it well too bad.
The whole Revit/AUGI thing is something that is still in the process of being ironed out. They had different guidelines when they were at zoog.com, therefore their moderators have different ideas about what is acceptable and what isn't. It is all being discussed, and I am sure there will be more solid guidelines as to what can/can't be posted here.

In the meantime, no harm was done by moving that post to the CWC forum - being a moderator required one to use their best discretion, and while one thing may be acceptable to one, it may not be to another. We are only human, not robots, not perfect.

[Wanderer]

One could send those files to a Land/MAP user
and have them convert the DGN files in DWG files,
do the design revisions in ACAD, then convert them back
into DGN files.
So, are you saying that a person with land desktop or map could open an in-roads file?

If so, Tom, you have my contact info, I have MAP and might be able to work with you on that.

Just to quibble over semantics of looking for help in here, a better way to phrase might be 'Does anyone know how to open up a project created with in-roads if you no longer have that program?'

welcome, by the way. good to have you here, hope you find AUGI as helpful as I have.

cadwoaman

[mjfarrell]

Yes a MAP or Land Desktop user could open
those files, and save them back as DGN files when
the revisions were completed in the DWG format.
And you both have my contact information should you
require any assistance at all for this.

[thighfill]

We have the whole project done. We did the project in cad using arieal and ground topo. We then converted it over into Microstation. He will not except the project without a DTM created from in-roads.

[mjfarrell]

It might be possible that you could export the
DTM as XML and then they could import that
XML file into the InRoads file.
Also, this sounds as if they are making an unreasonable
(perhaps illegal) request that the work be submitted in
this fashion.

[thighfill]

why would it be illiegal? They are very unreasonable believe me. I was told .xml will not work as far as importing it into in-roads. you can export one but not import one.

[Lemons]

Hi y'all

I've got to send some Acad files to a client who uses Microstation and have some questions.

1. What happens with image files in the Acad to Microstation conversion?
2. Are non-standard fonts (ones not supplied with Acad) a problem for a Microstation user?
3. What am I going to run into using/working on a drawing that was originally in Acad, opened and saved in Microstation, then converted back to Acad?

Thanks,

Celie

[mjfarrell]

Illegal, as the agency would be prohibiting
minority or disadvantaged firms from participating
in the bidding process due to the demand to use
a single proprietary software package for the
final submittal.

[MHultgren]

1. What happens with image files in the Acad to Microstation conversion?
Sometimes they come across and sometimes they don't, when they don't, it is usually due to an imncompatible format or deslected checkbox in the Export options of Microstation.
2. Are non-standard fonts (ones not supplied with Acad) a problem for a Microstation user?
If you want the MS user to have them, simply send the fonts to the MS user and they can add it to a folder that V8(2004) will look at when opening a DWG.
3. What am I going to run into using/working on a drawing that was originally in Acad, opened and saved in Microstation, then converted back to Acad?
Mtext is a big one:-? . If they editted the Mtext in MS, you may have to open the text up in the Mtext editor (or properties dialog) and reset the width for the text block. Colors can be a real pain as well as linetypes. You will probably see alot of DGN Linestyle# for any new entities that were created in MS.
Other than that, I work across both platforms quite often. I just wish Autodesk could read the newest version of LandXML that Bentley\Inroads has implemented. Without having to go in and edit the file header to get it to load into LDT:!:

[Wanderer]

Illegal, as the agency would be prohibiting
minority or disadvantaged firms from participating
in the bidding process due to the demand to use
a single proprietary software package for the
final submittal.
I think that would only be considered illegal if the contract they signed to provide services did not specify that, and then they demanded it later.

Perhaps their contract specified use of that program, then, I don't see how that could be considered illegal.

[thighfill]

It's in the contract. The thing is it's not hard to import one using the information. The client is just being very unreasonable

[mjfarrell]

I've got to send some Acad files to a client who uses Microstation and have some questions.

1. What happens with image files in the Acad to Microstation conversion?

Same thing that happens to image files, they will NOT be included in the
exported dgn, you will need to send them as seperate items and allow them to
attach the image if they can.

2. Are non-standard fonts (ones not supplied with Acad) a problem for a Microstation user?
Not really a problem however I discourage the use of non-standard fonts in all cases.
They will or should have the opportunity to map your cad layers to their layers,
your blocks to their cells,a nd your fonts to the correct fonts on their end.

3. What am I going to run into using/working on a drawing that was originally in Acad, opened and saved in Microstation, then converted back to Acad?

The biggest issue, might be that the drawing appears to change size after they
send it back to you. This is a function of the import drivers for the software
and how it reads and processes the Units of Resolution, master units and sub units settings. Unlike AutCAD Microstation's design plane is limited to a set size
and the 'scale' of the work is controlled with MU/Su. As the data structure of these
two cad applications is muc different. Technically speaking Microstation is
raster not vector based.

[Lemons]

Thanks, Mark and Michael (and anyone else who posts while I'm editing this post)

I think I have at least enough info to get by with for right now.

Thanks again,
Celie

[mjfarrell]

I just wish Autodesk could read the newest version of LandXML that Bentley\Inroads has implemented. Without having to go in and edit the file header to get it to load into LDT:!:

The problem here would be that Bentley varied from the Standard,
as outlined and described by XML.org. Thereby creating an incompatible
version of LandXML instead of following the standard established by this
organization, and thus causing the problem you describe.
I wonder how many other applications can not read the Land XML as
exported from Bentley?

[Mike.Perry]

Hi Tom

Apologies for mucking you about here, after re-reading your original post a number of times + seeking guidance from the other Moderators I've now *moved* this Thread to here "CAD Management Software" (as far as I'm concerned it's final resting place).

I hope you agree that this particular Forum is a more suitable place for such Topics (Threads).

Thanks for your understanding and patience on this matter,

Mike

Forum Moderator

ps Please feel free to contact me off Forum if you wish to discuss anything relating to this matter.