Wall poche in plan but not section

[lm.136504]

I'm relatively new to Revit. I want to know if it's possible for my walls to have a solid black poche in plan but not filled in section. I know I can set the cut pattern to solid, but then the walls are filled in both views. I also know that I can set the coarse scale fill pattern to solid black, but I'd rather have my plans at medium detail level. Is there a way to accomplish this, or am I asking too much?

[ron.sanpedro]

I'm relatively new to Revit. I want to know if it's possible for my walls to have a solid black poche in plan but not filled in section. I know I can set the cut pattern to solid, but then the walls are filled in both views. I also know that I can set the coarse scale fill pattern to solid black, but I'd rather have my plans at medium detail level. Is there a way to accomplish this, or am I asking too much?

My preference here is to make a filter, that works on Walls, Roofs, Floors and Ceilings. Make it with no filter criteria, so it grabs all instances of those categories. Then in your plan you apply the filter and override the cut pattern. Now all those items poche as expected, but only in that view. Apply the same filter (or create view template) and apply it to a presentation plan, and the one plan looks good, while not impacting any other course detail plans. Very slick.

Best,
Gordon

[lm.136504]

Okay. I can follow you through applying the filter, then I get stuck. When I'm in the Visibility/Graphics dialog box, I click on the Filters tab, and I see where I can change line styles for cut and projection, but not cut pattern. What am I missing?

[ron.sanpedro]

Okay. I can follow you through applying the filter, then I get stuck. When I'm in the Visibility/Graphics dialog box, I click on the Filters tab, and I see where I can change line styles for cut and projection, but not cut pattern. What am I missing?

Click the Override... button under Cut Pattern, then you will get the Fill Pattern Graphics dialog, where you need to change both Color and Pattern.

Hope that helps.

Gordon

[bowlingbrad]

My preference here is to make a filter, that works on Walls, Roofs, Floors and Ceilings. Make it with no filter criteria, so it grabs all instances of those categories. Then in your plan you apply the filter and override the cut pattern. Now all those items poche as expected, but only in that view. Apply the same filter (or create view template) and apply it to a presentation plan, and the one plan looks good, while not impacting any other course detail plans. Very slick.

Best,
Gordon

BRILLIANT!

Gold Star for you today.

[lm.136504]

Ahhh, my dialog box is different. I don't get the "Cut" heading. I only get the "Projection/Surface" heading. Did I miss a step? My filter includes walls, roofs, ceilings, and floors, and no other criteria.

Thanks so much!

[ron.sanpedro]

Ahhh, my dialog box is different. I don't get the "Cut" heading. I only get the "Projection/Surface" heading. Did I miss a step? My filter includes walls, roofs, ceilings, and floors, and no other criteria.

Thanks so much!

I believe the poche via filter stuff was added in 2008. One of many arguments to upgrade. And an argument for us all to note which version we are talking about for a while. ;)

Sorry for the confusion.

Gordon

[lm.136504]

Oh, okay. We haven't upgraded yet. I did learn some useful things about filters...I hadn't used those yet. Thank so much!!! I appreciate your help.

[dhurtubise]

Set your view to medium display but in VV override the level of detail for walls and pick Coarse. Then set a coarse level pattern to your walls

[case.devisser]

I have been wrestling with this problem as well. I wanted my walls to have a solid grey poche in the floor plans, but not int the wall sections, etc. The only problem with the fixes listed above is that if you override the graphics for the entire wall, all your wall materials default to the override. So if you have a section showing studs, precast, rigid insulation and brick and you do a filter or graphic override, you lose all the materials in your detail.

So here's my fix... I changed my "metal stud" material to have a solid fill with a grey color. (looks great on plan, and I get to keep my brick hatching, etc.) To fix my plan details and wall sections, I just set the walls to transparent under visibility graphics. For some reason, this blows away the solid fill pattern, but keeps the other patterns like the drywall stipple and rigid insulation hatching. Also, you don't have to worry about some weird phasing setup or 'coarse' vs 'fine' settings.

...and now I can sleep at night.
Hope this helps

Case

[lm.136504]

Okay, here's a new twist. Since I last posted, we've upgraded to version 2009. I love the method of using filters to get the poche in plan. Now we have a new architect in the office who wants demolished walls not to have the poche. Walls that are to remain should have it. I tried applying a filter rule for phase, but it isn't among the defaults. If I try to add a parameter, it duplicates the "Phase Demolished" parameter rather than picking up on the one that's already in the walls' properties.

We discovered we can add a filter rule to filter by comment, but this requires that every wall that's being demolished have the correct comment in its properties. This works, but its tedious.

Anyone have any suggestions?

[sbrown]

You should not need the filter in your plans at all for what he wants. The phase tool with phase filters will automatically do what he his looking for. Just set the view properties >Phase filter to show New, Previos and demo, then in settings>phases make sure the phase filter is set the way you want. Note it uses materials to define the cut pattern of existing and demo work so you can modify those as needed.

[lm.136504]

Okay, I tried that. It's efficient, but it hatches objects in section as well as in plan, and I only want the new walls hatched in plan view. Is creating a new custom phase filter the best way to acheive the look I want? That seems like it could create some clutter if I have do many different filters.

Thank you for your help!

[Scott Womack]

Okay, I tried that. It's efficient, but it hatches objects in section as well as in plan, and I only want the new walls hatched in plan view. Is creating a new custom phase filter the best way to acheive the look I want? That seems like it could create some clutter if I have do many different filters.

Thank you for your help!

I've run across the same issue of the Cut pattern. Then I go to thinking about it. In Sections and Details we (at least myself) want more detail/clarity in those views, and we place 2D drafting components over top of the sections etc. I've since created a series of line-based detail components with the Gyp board, top and bottom tracks etc. in the family. The studs have a masking region in them, so that they automatically cover-up the gray poche in the section view. If part of a Beam interrupts the wall, then we use the "Edge Cut Profile" to tell the hatching in the wall to be interrupted by the beam. The Gray poche in the section becomes a quick visual check to ensure that others working on my project have actually done the things I explained and told them to do.