door ironmongery

[ws]

Revit 2008 gives you basic door handles as well as door families.

I am probably missing something really obvious, but how do you 'stick' a door handle on to a door?

I can see the handle Loaded from the library in the Type selector but placing it has no effect as far as I can see.

[rjcrowther]

This is rather novel for me as I don't place door handles in drawings but here goes.

You can place these in plan view. You would then need to set its height in the properties box. Have a look in an elevation and you can set the height there as well. Distance from the door can be done in a 3d view.

I would have thought the best place for a door handle is in the door family along with a visibility parameter to set it visible or not (as well as some dimension parameters for its height from ground etc. I would nest the handle into the door family - probably have several so you can turn them on and off as you require.

Rob

[ws]

thanks Rob,

I sort of wondered that - surely knobs and levers should be part of the door family...

As Revit supplied them separately I thought there must be a reason.

Oh well, it's the least of my worries at the moment ;) trying to get this first project out.

cheers,

[rjcrowther]

Yes, the first one really rams home the learning curve required to even start producing something that you can proudly say was your own work.

There is no better way to go though then to jump in and have a go although it is very wise to play around with it for a few months before hand to gain some sort of idea.

Thinking more about that door, you would definitely include it in the door family as you would want to set your parameters up so you can schedule it.

Rob.

PS You can tell I don't have Revit schedule this for me - unfortunately the Revit door and window schedule layouts do not even remotely resemble the typical way we do them so I enter this type of detail manually.

[patricks]

Where are the door handles? I don't see them in my library....

[ws]

Umm, I'm working in the Metric Library - maybe they aren't separated out in the Imperial one?

[tc3dcad60731]

#1 I have never seen door handles in the Imperial Library
#2 I have one client that wants to see them and no one else that cares
#3 How would you set that up for changing door swings?????
#4 How would you set it up for same door but different handle because of location used?


It seems to me that it would be best to show doors in all normal views with out handles and then show detail views with the correct handles on them....... Just my 2 pence!

[rjcrowther]

#1 I have never seen door handles in the Imperial Library
#2 I have one client that wants to see them and no one else that cares
#3 How would you set that up for changing door swings?????
#4 How would you set it up for same door but different handle because of location used?


It seems to me that it would be best to show doors in all normal views with out handles and then show detail views with the correct handles on them....... Just my 2 pence!
1. There are 15 in the metric library under components/doors/door hardware
2. That would be one more client then me (perhaps I have been lucky).
3. Good question.
4. Nest several into the door family, and use parameters and visibility settings to swap them in and out. I am almost certain I have seen something like this in either the family forum or Steve Stafford's blog.

I would make a detail family and toss them in (reluctantly) when the scale is 1:20 or less (half inch scale?) - probably in line with your thinking.

Rob

[tc3dcad60731]

1. There are 15 in the metric library under components/doors/door hardware
2. That would be one more client then me (perhaps I have been lucky).
3. Good question.
4. Nest several into the door family, and use parameters and visibility settings to swap them in and out. I am almost certain I have seen something like this in either the family forum or Steve Stafford's blog.

I would make a detail family and toss them in (reluctantly) when the scale is 1:20 or less (half inch scale?) - probably in line with your thinking.

Rob

1. I will dig those out of the metric library and see what I can do for conversion to imperial. (most of us do not want to bother with metric system but I however had to for several years so no big deal there)

4. Why is that Steve, Scott, or Wes, have always already discussed something..... I swear they never sleep or do anything but play with Revit! :mrgreen:

I would think details would be sufficient when necessary AND I am willing to bet that we could also use parameters and visibility setting for variations in door swings too. I should have thought of that! :Oops:

[kpaxton]

This may have already been said somewhere else, but I wanted to just make mention of a general warning about having small, intricately modeled items, such as doorknobs, latches, hinges, etc. For the most part, this may not be a problem especially in "small" projects. When you start getting into hundreds of doors - this could cause a nightmare and bog down your model, as it recalcs and has to go through all of the available options.

First, ask yourself why you need to model these latches? Is it something you'll see in a rendering/3-D model? Second, if it needs to be there, have it's visibility only 'on' in 3D. Turn it off in plan, elevation and section. Use model lines to 'represent' these items in those views. Most of the time, you can get away without having to model, as most are interested in being able to make the choice and then having the data be reported in a schedule.

Kyle

[ron.sanpedro]

thanks Rob,

I sort of wondered that - surely knobs and levers should be part of the door family...

As Revit supplied them separately I thought there must be a reason.

Oh well, it's the least of my worries at the moment ;) trying to get this first project out.

cheers,

One reason for a separate hardware family is you can then nest the hardware in the door family and control hardware group either by type or instance.

Best,
Gordon

[ws]

thanks all,

It is only really in elevations that I would want to see door handles - so I assume a 2D handle family would suffice?

I take Kyle's point that as with sanitaryware, you don't really want a load of knobs proliferating in your project (if you pardon the expression ;-))

In the past with Allplan I tended to just use 3D handles on external doors that featured in renderings, so that is probably a reasonable approach still.

[SkiSouth]

I try and place exit hardware on exit doors, just to be sure I don't get the old " But it's not shown on the plan" comment from the contractor...It is a PAIN...Mainly just showing the panic bars...

[rjcrowther]

I try and place exit hardware on exit doors, just to be sure I don't get the old " But it's not shown on the plan" comment from the contractor...It is a PAIN...Mainly just showing the panic bars...
This is becoming an increasingly common discussion topic with me - what to show on drawings and what to leave off. I guess this level of detail is related to access and egress requirements so it would be handy to have for building approvals as well.

Rob