New Build for Revit Architecture

[Joef]

Spotted this in the Revit news group:


http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?siteID=123112&id=9262388

[iru69]

Awesome! I was wondering about this yesterday as RAC2008 repeatedly crashed.



This build, (20070524_1700), addresses issues related to:

* For a selected Line, Hide Category in View affects all Categories of Lines.
* Some Detail, Plan, or Section Callouts are erroneously hidden in cropped views.
* Masking Regions in Tag Families do not obscure elements in project and in exports.
* Filled Regions containing Solid Fills, which are overridden to be Transparent, print inconsistently between Vector and Raster modes.
* Instability with Overlay Planes turned off in Graphics Settings.
* Some Crop Regions are not visible in Views in upgraded files and templates.
* Display problems in a View when zooming with OpenGL® hardware acceleration turned on.
* Copying nested links from the Project Browser places only the Link and not its nested components.
* Elements do not refresh in views when deselected.
* Product Registration for multiple products in Subscription returns “Invalid Serial Number.”


Looks like they might have gotten some of the video card issues sorted out.

The 2008 release is absolutely fantastic feature wise, but it's definitely been less stable than past releases in my experience.

[Wes Macaulay]

It looks like some elements of the graphics system have been attended to... and some unwanted changes to behaviour with "Hide Category" have been resolved. This is good!

Thanks to everyone who sent in comments regarding the issues addressed.

[ws]

thanks, good spot... funny how often developers' service packs get posted on a Friday night ;)

I've not had any real problems with 2008 so far running on several PCs and laptops but you always had the feeling that the OpenGL was a bit 'sensitive'.

e.g. the Wacom pen driver if it got confused by a sloppy click and drag would freeze Allplan for maybe 60 seconds but in RA 2008 it locked up needing a reboot.

All first releases of new versions usually need a service pack - nice to see this one out so soon, and apparently addressing issues raised in the forum.

[Henry D]

Has anybody installed this build? I am not able...

When I try to install this latest build: SP1_RAC2008_20070524_1700.exe
It says I already have it installed, but I have this build installed: RTM_RAC2008_20070404_1700.exe

[ws]

I'm guessing, but did you let it uninstall the old version first?

[Henry D]

I'm guessing, but did you let it uninstall the old version first?
The installation sequence doesn't ask me to install. I have been downloading new builds for 4 1/2 years and I seem to remember that it just overwrites the existing build...but since it always went smoothly I never paid much attention. Thanks.

[amara]

why couldn't updates be installed in some seamless manner, such as windows, acrobat, etc. Downloading a full version (252MB) and reinstalling seems a bit awkward.
All efforts are much appreciated though.

[iru69]

Has anybody installed this build? I am not able...

When I try to install this latest build: SP1_RAC2008_20070524_1700.exe
It says I already have it installed, but I have this build installed: RTM_RAC2008_20070404_1700.exe

That's pretty weird. The installer will ask if you want to uninstall the previous build, but not until after that screen.

When you first started the setup, it should have warned you if you wanted to overwrite a bunch of existing files... you clicked "yes/ok", right?

[twiceroadsfool]

Yeah, that is strange. Ours installed fine, went right through that screen...

Thanks Factory! :)

[Joef]

Mine installed like a new release (uninstall, etc.). No problems, just more time consuming.

[Henry D]

Very Strange!! I tried at 4 different times each time doing exactly the same thing. On the 4th attempt , it no longer said that that the program was already installed, so I was able to install it.

Is it my imagination, or are the pans and zooms faster on this build?

[Scott D Davis]

Is it my imagination, or are the pans and zooms faster on this build?
Could be...if some of the Open GL issue fixes helped your machine.

[twiceroadsfool]

Ours seems a little faster ans smoother on the upgrade as well... Allthough thats strictly butt-dyno. No numbers to back it up...

But dang, i got to spend 10 hours today in 2008... I cant believe how fast this thing saves to central now! : omghi2ugofactorwerdzzz :

[ron.sanpedro]

thanks, good spot... funny how often developers' service packs get posted on a Friday night ;)


I kind of like the Friday night thing. On the one hand, I can download and install on my machine and test a bit over the weekend. And on the other, I like to think the Factory busted butt all week to get it out, and then has a weekend off to enjoy life.

And this looks to be one of the better maintenance releases, given what is fixed.

Gordon

[dbaldacchino]

thats strictly butt-dyno
Now THAT was pretty funny!

[Joef]

Just curious if anyone received "official" notice of this release through the subscription channel. I rarely get any notices through the subscription channel and this seems like the perfect conduit for this sort of event.

[ws]

No, nothing official.

I have communication center enabled on one PC installation of RA 2008 but there are no 'channels' indicated and no help on how or what to add as channels.

Clicking 'refresh' just says there is no information available - but as no channels are listed perhaps this isn't surprising :)

[patricks]

20070524_1700, that was a Thursday, I wonder if the 1700 means 5 p.m. :p

[angelo]

Anyone know if we can skip the content installation? It takes ages to download all that stuff from the web!

I find it interesting that I had a support request in last week going back and forth over the detail callout issue with upgraded files. That support specialist gave no indication that SP1 was coming out, and failed to notify me when it did!

Communication between the developers and the support specialists, does it exist?

Glad they fixed a bunch of the bugs though!

Angelo

[clog boy]

Does the new build have compatibility issues with previous builds of 2008? It would be a pain if projects created with the new build won't open in previous builds.

[ws]

I skipped the content installation - it seemed unlikely that they would fix content as well.

As I understand it within the same version - i.e. RA2008 all updates are file compatible.

[Fred Blome]

Just curious if anyone received "official" notice of this release through the subscription channel. I rarely get any notices through the subscription channel and this seems like the perfect conduit for this sort of event.The notice is now on the subscription channel.

[dtownsend]

If you have any External Commands installed or other settings that are saved in the Revit.INI file you may want to make a back-up before installing.

Since it installs over it loads a fresh Revit.INI file.

[dfriesen]

The notice is now on the subscription channel.How do you get that? I'm on subscription, but there are no channels available in my communication channel.

[ws]

I notice that since updating to the latest build of 2008 I cannot connect to Subscription via the Help menu - it just says incorrect serial '000-00000'...

but neither will it let me register or activate RA as it is already OK...

weird.

[cwilrycx.109927]

These is a thread present about some not so nice behavior with RAC and serial numbers. This is just par for the course with this release.

[Joef]

How do you get that? I'm on subscription, but there are no channels available in my communication channel.Same here, no channels to chose from; no subscription notification.

[ws]

In Help it says that the Channels are selected in the 'Welcome Wizard' - it also says that it can be started from right-clicking on the communications center system tray icon... but not that I can see.

[truevis]

Has anyone here who was having stability issues found improvement with this build?

[Chad Smith]

Has anyone here who was having stability issues found improvement with this build?Yes. Having now used it for a full day, I can say I didn't have one single crash. Will see how today goes.

Just as well we didn't go through with the RAM and video card upgrades like support said we should do to fix it. I kept telling support that it wasn't a hardware issue, but they wouldn't listen. I always take what they say with a grain of salt.

Ed: I'm now back to OpenGL on and Overlay planes off, which is what I had running in 9.1.

[Wes Macaulay]

I've never seen a build of Revit come out where the display system was changed up like it was in this last build. For what it's worth, I can now run all our computers with Overlay Planes off -- the main benefit being that annotations whose background is transparent display more legibly. Looks like they did some work on the display system in the last month! It is more stable than the previous build, that's for sure.

[Dean Camlin]

Anyone know if we can skip the content installation? It takes ages to download all that stuff from the web!

I find it interesting that I had a support request in last week going back and forth over the detail callout issue with upgraded files. That support specialist gave no indication that SP1 was coming out, and failed to notify me when it did!

Communication between the developers and the support specialists, does it exist?

Glad they fixed a bunch of the bugs though!

Angelo

I received this notice via email today:

Dear Dean,

A new build of Revit Architecture 2008 is available from our website that addresses the problem you experienced. You can download and install the new build from our website here: http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?siteID=123112&id=9408083

If you have any questions or would like to add anything additional to this support request please feel free to reply to this email and I will be happy to help.

Best Regards,

Scott Latch
Autodesk Support Team

[Chad Smith]

I find it interesting that I had a support request in last week going back and forth over the detail callout issue with upgraded files. That support specialist gave no indication that SP1 was coming out, and failed to notify me when it did!I had the same experience. Had been on Autodesk for the past few weeks about the instability issue, and only found out about the new build through AUGI. Communication is very poor.

I notice that since updating to the latest build of 2008 I cannot connect to Subscription via the Help menu - it just says incorrect serial '000-00000'...

but neither will it let me register or activate RA as it is already OK...I can confirm the same behaviour. Does this now make us all software pirates ;). I assume this is linked to the Communication Center now not working.
Serial number fix can be found here (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/item?siteID=123112&id=7282419&linkID=9243099).

[chris.needham]

Has anyone here who was having stability issues found improvement with this build?

Yep, installed this morning on three different systems, two used all day today and the other one occasionally, and not a single crash. Prior to this, we were getting at least three random crashes a day on each system.

Great job team!

[ws]

Serial number fix can be found here (http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/ps/item?siteID=123112&id=7282419&linkID=9243099).
thanks Chad... that has fixed it :)

[ejc]

If you want to do your reseller a favor, let them know that this build is available. Autodesk tells them nothing. They just hang the resellers out to dry!

ejc

[Brian Myers]

If you want to do your reseller a favor, let them know that this build is available. Autodesk tells them nothing.

I wouldn't say Autodesk tells us "nothing", but in this case... yes, I found out first here on AUGI. For the less adventurous AE's I'd imagine some likely still don't know.

Good advice. :beer:

[neb1998]

I wouldn't say Autodesk tells us "nothing", but in this case... yes, I found out first here on AUGI. For the less adventurous AE's I'd imagine some likely still don't know.

Good advice. :beer:
new build is no better than the last in terms of stability.
Try again autodesk.

[sbrown]

The new build still crashes for me the same as the previous. But I think I can disable open gl and be the same as 9.1

[Baldwin_4-6-0]

Fixed the Callout Visibilty problem for us..
I will be testing it for a few more days before we forge ahead.

Any one find any bugs yet?

[s.messing]

Fixed the Callout Visibilty problem for us..
I will be testing it for a few more days before we forge ahead.

Any one find any bugs yet?
The callout thing is great! New builds are great! What else did they fix?

Question: When you hide by element (or category) in view a door, couldn't/ shouldn't the door stay visible? I know it seems silly, but someone asked me and I did not know the answer.

Cheers,
Stephen

post script: Thanks factory!!

[Lashers]

Unfortunately even with my ATI FireGL V3400 (in Vista!?/!£$%% (Vista!@?/!£$%%)) I still cant get OpenGL to work! Once I can figure out how to port all my MS Outlook emails and stuff to the new disk I am going back to XP Pro and begin to enjoy the benefits!

[Phil Palmer]

I am running The new build with both Opengl and Overplanes ON
It does still give me an error closing window on a particular view with a DWG file linked.
The thing is I always make sure I have another view open so that it can close the view rather then crash me out
Its a pain but appears to be mostly due to linked DWG files in the view and works an absolute treat with 'pure' Revit graphics.

Has anyone else experienced this ?

[dpasa]

I am running The new build with both Opengl and Overplanes ON
It does still give me an error closing window on a particular view with a DWG file linked.
The thing is I always make sure I have another view open so that it can close the view rather then crash me out
Its a pain but appears to be mostly due to linked DWG files in the view and works an absolute treat with 'pure' Revit graphics.

Has anyone else experienced this ?


Me!Me! All the time!!!
I also noticed that this is happening when I make quick zoom-outs... If I go really slow with the mouse, sometimes it works...

[Baldwin_4-6-0]

We had this occur in Revit 9.1 with a large AutoCAD File linked, seems like this issue has been around for a while.

[dpasa]

We had this occur in Revit 9.1 with a large AutoCAD File linked, seems like this issue has been around for a while.

This is the first release I see something like that... 9.1 didn't have any graphics problem...

[ron.sanpedro]

This is the first release I see something like that... 9.1 didn't have any graphics problem...

I suspect you might have to go back a ways to get to a Revit version that jumped from OpenGL 1.1 to 1.2, like 2008 is the jump to 1.3. When you change your graphics subsystem like that, you have to expect it to be a bigger deal than 9.0 to 9.1, or even 8.0 to 9.0. But that said, I think Autodesk made two MAJOR mistakes in communication, or lack thereof.

1: Claiming that it was a graphics card problem while knowing that it was a Revit problem. Perhaps for a while they thought it really was a graphics card problem, and yet to their credit explored a Revit software solution. But at some point, much earlier than last week, they knew they had a software answer, and where working towards that solution, and yet support was still telling people to buy new graphics cards or update ram, or whatever. BAD form!

2: Not doing everything possible to get the word out about the new build. I will barely accept the idea that they couldn't admit ahead of time that they where working on SP1 (seems like a marketing and legal department cop out to me), but to not have a Communication Center message is ridiculous, even knowing that many/most of us turn CC off because it is totally useless and just a little more RAM that Revit doesn't have at its disposal. And not sending an e:mail to Subscription technical contacts was lame also. We pay $$$$ for subscription, one e:mail should be easy enough to think about and do.

But thus far it does seem like the SP has addressed some very real issues, and for that I am thankful. But please Autodesk, learn how to communicate with your customers. We will both benefit!

Gordon

[DaveP]

I agree with you completely, Gordon.

Normally, I'm a rah-rah-Revit guy, but I think this instance is a great example of why people get frustrated with Autodesk. That's Autodesk Corporate vs the Revit Factory. We all (well, most of us, anyway) love and believe in the Factory, but then Corporate makes us mad by not communicating - either good OR bad. Many times we'd be much more willing to live with an issue if we know there's a fix on the way. But when we see things like telling us to buy more RAM when there's a software patch in the works, thats when people lose faith.

[bowlingbrad]

...one e:mail should be easy enough to think about and do...

Autodesk has no problem sending out emails to us when our subscirption is coming due...

okay, enough from me...

[Mr Spot]

I have to say I'm using the latest build and working on this particular file (16MB) its terribly slow with Open GL and Overlay Planes turned on...

It does have:

Point floor edits,
Lots of curtain walls with panels that have a grid hatch and transparency to represent grid mesh,
Full roof structure/purlins/columns,

But i really think performance should be better than what i'm experiencing. I type a keyboard command and it takes about 5 to 7 seconds for the command to process. For instance i type ZZ to zoom window, and wait. Or snapping is incredibly slow, i try to snap midpoint i go to click and because of the lag it picks another reference and i have to undo and do it again...

Anyone else experiencing this?

The computer i'm working on isn't that flash - P4 3.2GHz, 2G Ram, 256MB GeForce 6800GT however i've worked on much bigger files in the past that ran much smoother than this.

Other programs running are Outlook, Filemaker Pro 8.5 and MSN Messenger...

[Wes Macaulay]

Sounds like Revit is gagging on a relationship between objects. We've had some performance drop-offs when we joined geometry between some walls and a complicated floor object with the new 2008 slab capability. We've also had that problem in 9.1 when we attached walls to a large complicated roof...

[neb1998]

I am running The new build with both Opengl and Overplanes ON
It does still give me an error closing window on a particular view with a DWG file linked.
The thing is I always make sure I have another view open so that it can close the view rather then crash me out
Its a pain but appears to be mostly due to linked DWG files in the view and works an absolute treat with 'pure' Revit graphics.

Has anyone else experienced this ?
I have but even with another window open revit has crashed a few times. Usually when trying to open a new window, i eiher get a window error or nothing at all, revit just goes to 100% cpu usage and never recovers.

[Mr Spot]

Sounds like Revit is gagging on a relationship between objects. We've had some performance drop-offs when we joined geometry between some walls and a complicated floor object with the new 2008 slab capability. We've also had that problem in 9.1 when we attached walls to a large complicated roof...
Yes probably. The floor is two concrete floors overlayed with point edits and openings joined in order to show beams etc... Mind you nothing is attached to it yet...

I did notice in 3D when i turned of the curtain walls there was a big performance improvement so i think they are more than likely the cause. I guess i'll just have to turn them off when I don't need them.

[rjcrowther]

I had something like this the other day - I closed all hidden windows and things picked up a little. On other occasions I close Revit and open again and all is good.

My computer is perhaps a bit more of a clunker than yours - 1Gb Ram, slower processor (4 years old). This happens on both 9.1 and 2008 for me.

Rob

[clog boy]

Does everyone who experiences problems with OpenGL have the latest graphics drivers installed? Or do you still use the outdated Windows version?

Just asking... it's so obvious it might be overlooked.

[Andrew Dobson]

I still get the atached error occasionally with Open GL on, whether overlay planes is on or off.

Latest Drivers installed for GeForceGo 7400 on Sony Vaio SZ2XP laptop

[Lashers]

Just installed RA2008 on my revert XP Pro HDD and opened a file that kept regen'ing the elevation with shadows every time I blinked on the Vista setup! On XP with OpenGl only on it was so quick that I nearly fell out of my seat! The sooner I can transfer back to XP the better . . . . haven't checked anything else yet, but happy so far.

[ron.sanpedro]

Just installed RA2008 on my revert XP Pro HDD and opened a file that kept regen'ing the elevation with shadows every time I blinked on the Vista setup! On XP with OpenGl only on it was so quick that I nearly fell out of my seat! The sooner I can transfer back to XP the better . . . . haven't checked anything else yet, but happy so far.

Isn't Vista doing an OpenGL interpretation, and only Direct3D is native? That would likely slow down OpenGL. And if that is a permanent condition, and more reason for Revit to be Direct3D based.

Gordon

[hand471037]

Isn't Vista doing an OpenGL interpretation, and only Direct3D is native? That would likely slow down OpenGL. And if that is a permanent condition, and more reason for Revit to be Direct3D based.

Not really. They were, and then they decided to do something else. It's kinda complex, and I don't fully understand it, but just google "OpenGL Vista" and I'm sure you'll have more info than you want on it. It was a bit of a saga. It's not like either is 'native' in XP either, they are just better supported for most of the issues have been worked out over years.

With that said though OpenGL performance in Vista is terrible from what I've read. But then, I've also read and heard that *any* 3D performance in Vista isn't that good. Most of the 3D guys I know here locally that do animation and game work are pretty upset about it and sticking with XP and/or looking for alternatives. I know I am, I'd like for Revit to be the last Windows-only 3D/CAD tool we ever use, for it's pretty obvious that Microsoft really doesn't care about this niche market or our needs...

[patricks]

They released yet another build this past Thursday, 20070607_1700. The list of fixes appears to be the same as the previous build from a couple of weeks ago. Any idea what else has changed?

[Wes Macaulay]

Huh -- SP1, take 2! I'll have to see if they fixed the temp hide issue...

[ws]

what a great spot patricks, thanks.

I can't keep up with the pace...

download, uninstall, reinstall... download.. ;)

Is the world of Revit always like this ? :)

[ws]

Incidentally, I downloaded the Content as well this time and I've just run a file comparison check on the Content folders, and for the Metric content at least, there appears to be more in the download than in my original installation of 2008 - 2 builds ago.

I see a lot of new files with 'M_' in front of the filename scattered throughout the content.
Some of them may be copies of older files with the M_ prefix added? but many appear to be new to the Metric content.

As I didn't download the Content when installing the last build of 2008 I don't know if they were included then or in this latest one.

[s.messing]

Interesting about the content. Curious to hear if they have actually added anything...


They released yet another build this past Thursday, 20070607_1700. The list of fixes appears to be the same as the previous build from a couple of weeks ago. Any idea what else has changed?
Good find Patricks. The list may be the same, but inside sources tell me that they fixed a pretty big issue with some CAD files not linking in properly and crashing the system. Haven't tested it out yet...



what a great spot patricks, thanks.

I can't keep up with the pace...

download, uninstall, reinstall... download.. ;)

Is the world of Revit always like this ? :)
Imagine doing this for an office of 100 people...

Keep on keepin' on,
Stephen

[BMcCallum]

There was a script at AU last year that uninstalled the previous version and installed the new one.

It will need revisions, but can be a big help when un-install and re-install is required.

Regards,

Bruce

[ron.sanpedro]

dated 06.07, and STILL Autodesk can't be bothered to alert Subscription customers? Are you !#@@$%!$ kidding me? Did anyone with that useless pile (non) Communication Center turned on get any info?

Come ON Autodesk. Communicate. This really has reached the point of being pretty ridiculous. Oh, and don't say I need to check the download site every week. I have a JOB to do, and I pay $$$$$ to Autodesk every year, and I expect SOMETHING for that money. A few e:mails a year telling about new builds can't be that hard, can it? Really?

Very frustrated right now, but at least hoping OpenGL is REALLY fixed this time, as it wasn't before. Then again, the list of fixed issues is exactly the same, so I wonder what the difference is? Not that Autodesk will tell us.

Gordon

[richelleharp]

I am looking at my copy of 08. I need to install it, I just attended cad camp Thursday and want to use the features we covered. I really don't want any crashes. I suppose that is what causes my delay. Revit 9 is working so well I hate to create problems for myself as I am alone here and not too savvy. Any words of wisdom?

[Steve_Stafford]

Did anyone with that useless pile (non) Communication Center turned on get any info?Comm Center does indicate a new build.

I know you won't accept it but the last time I asked about emails I was told that corporate has insisted that customers do not want to be barraged with emails from Autodesk. So the end result is people are "afraid" to send out emails for fear of being the one that breaks a camels back. Seems obvious that new builds should generate an email but very often such an email will go to the person who bought the software and not the one(s) who really care about it. It seems a simple thing but with 200K users out there it is never simple and someone will complain either way they go... I vote for an email alert...but for now AUGI's a pretty close second.

[Wes Macaulay]

Come ON Autodesk. Communicate.Set comm center to update daily and you'll never be more than 24h behind the ball.

[ron.sanpedro]

Set comm center to update daily and you'll never be more than 24h behind the ball.

When did they actually turn that on? If that was actually added with SP1 it would have been nice to see some mention. As it is, I suspect I will turn CC on on my machine for a while and see if updates are reported consistently.

Also, do either of you know what is actually different in this SP1 build? As far as I can tell, the list is exactly the same, and part of me is a little too burned out from an all office upgrade this morning to bother with another this week without KNOWING something is actually fixed. Not to mention the grief I am going to get from my users when I roll out another build in the same week. I really don't think Autodesk understands what a complete pain in the donkey Revit maintenance releases are, and how much time it takes to keep up. I fantasize about managing Revit builds with WSUS, where a patch just runs over night, no need to log in to a machine as admin, no need to fix a configuration, no need to make a new Prism Deploy build, decent reporting tools, FREE, etc. Given that Autodesk is in bed with Microsoft, maybe taking more advantage of what Microsoft actually does offer would be helpful. Sure would make my life easier. Then again, we already use WSUS, and maybe 99% of Revit users don't, so it is a waste of time and resources.

Gordon

[patricks]

hmmm guess my find struck a chord w/ some folks :p

[Steven Campbell]

Incidentally, I downloaded the Content as well this time and I've just run a file comparison check on the Content folders, and for the Metric content at least, there appears to be more in the download than in my original installation of 2008 - 2 builds ago.

I see a lot of new files with 'M_' in front of the filename scattered throughout the content.
Some of them may be copies of older files with the M_ prefix added? but many appear to be new to the Metric content.

As I didn't download the Content when installing the last build of 2008 I don't know if they were included then or in this latest one.Interesting as far as I know there were a few content fixes in the newer builds, but none of them added content. There was a fix to Austrian doors and we removed some duplicate UK structural families. I will check the installer maybe something changed in the default package set for UK.
Steve

[ws]

cheers Steve,

just from running my eye down the many families listed (the full list is amazingly long) there did seem to be a lot of structural stuff, quite a number of new Tag families and many here, there and everywhere with the 'M_' prefix.

I may be deluded, but I'd say there are more door families... just under 'Doors' rather than inside the folders 'Internal Doors' and 'External Doors'...

Strange... but I'm not complaining ;)


PS - they haven't fixed the dodgy Metric Window 'sash (5)' which will not resize without falling apart... I'm surprised that there are so few sash (double hung I think they are called in N America?) windows in Imperial content.

I also downloaded the Imperial Library (we still use loads of Imperial stuff in the UK).

In fact I'd recommend UK users to download the Imperial library as an extra resource - e.g. there are lots of nice profile cornices in Imperial I notice, although generally the Metric library seems to have more of everything than the Imperial library?

[Overconstrained]

Set comm center to update daily and you'll never be more than 24h behind the ball.
I think for a lot of us comm center has never worked (I'm guessing...but mostly outside the US??). I filed a support request on this and they were unable to fix it. It's been sent higher up the food chain though so perhaps it will be addressed soon.

I'd say that the AUGI forums act as my comm center most of the time :)

Cheers,
Dean.

[truevis]

I know that each team should be on the same build. However, anyone had any issues yet with team members using different builds simultainiously of RA'08?

[ws]

I think for a lot of us comm center has never worked (I'm guessing...but mostly outside the US??)
Similarly, anyone in the UK got comm centre working?

I can enable it but no channels are listed and I've given up searching for the 'Welcome wizard' mentioned in Help which sets up the channels.

[vennix]

Same here in Holland for me. Comm center not working.
the satellite dish in the lower right corner is showing an exclamation mark.
And when I click it it tells me that no new information is available.
And no channels.

Geert

[Steve_Stafford]

I know that each team should be on the same build. However, anyone had any issues yet with team members using different builds simultainiously of RA'08?Using worksets I'd escalate should to must. If people with different builds are working on each others projects without worksets I'd still say they must. If working all alone, individually, all by themselves...well you get the idea, then different builds are okay. But don't let it go too long.

[ejc]

I know that each team should be on the same build. However, anyone had any issues yet with team members using different builds simultainiously of RA'08?

Running a large shared project with 2 different 08 builds with no trouble so far. I am glad I didn't update everyone with another new build already out.

ejc

[s.messing]

Using worksets I'd escalate should to must. If people with different builds are working on each others projects without worksets I'd still say they must. If working all alone, individually, all by themselves...well you get the idea, then different builds are okay. But don't let it go too long.
A friend told me a horror story and I am trying to pin down the cause. The effect is that all of the links unloaded after the 0607 upgrade. The user(s) opened the file and specified worksets. Now all of the links are unloaded. My hunch is that someone somewhere is on the last build (0524) somewhere else inside the file or the links and this is causing the problem. Does this make sense? Is there a way to test this theory? Thoughts? Ideas? Factory??

Thank you,
Stephen

[Steven Campbell]

cheers Steve,

just from running my eye down the many families listed (the full list is amazingly long) there did seem to be a lot of structural stuff, quite a number of new Tag families and many here, there and everywhere with the 'M_' prefix.

I may be deluded, but I'd say there are more door families... just under 'Doors' rather than inside the folders 'Internal Doors' and 'External Doors'...

Strange... but I'm not complaining ;)

PS - they haven't fixed the dodgy Metric Window 'sash (5)' which will not resize without falling apart... I'm surprised that there are so few sash (double hung I think they are called in N America?) windows in Imperial content.

I also downloaded the Imperial Library (we still use loads of Imperial stuff in the UK).

In fact I'd recommend UK users to download the Imperial library as an extra resource - e.g. there are lots of nice profile cornices in Imperial I notice, although generally the Metric library seems to have more of everything than the Imperial library?I see one issue so far, the EMEA Library cab is being installed by default thou it should not be, so something definitely changed. If next time you install you go to the configuration and next to the content selection dialog you can see which packages are getting installed by default and change it for your needs. The EMEA Library is not needed with the UK install because most of the families have already integrated.

I will look into it more and file the appropriate bugs, thanks for pointing it out.
Steve

[Chad Smith]

I think for a lot of us comm center has never worked (I'm guessing...but mostly outside the US??).Can't get it to work here either. But I can get it working in AutoCAD 2008. Looks like this is a Revit issue, and I won't have to upgrade my graphics card to fix it ;).

[clemensm]

This is completely unrelated but I don't know where to turn. HOW do you post a new thread??? It took me forever to figure it out last time. How do you do it??

[dfriesen]

This is completely unrelated but I don't know where to turn. HOW do you post a new thread??? It took me forever to figure it out last time. How do you do it??Look up near the top of this page, just under the banner - you see the line "AUGI Forums > AUGI Technical (English) > AEC > Revit > Revit Architecture Support > Revit Architecture - General". Click on the last part of it, which takes you to the list of to topics. Then you'll see a "New Thread" button. If you want to post in a different forum, click on one of the other parts of that line.
Hope that makes sense...

[Overconstrained]

This is completely unrelated but I don't know where to turn. HOW do you post a new thread??? It took me forever to figure it out last time. How do you do it??
First, you have to be logged into the forums. Then if you go to the main forum page of the area that your query falls under eg "Revit Architecture - General" there is a "New Thread" button at both the top and bottom of the page.

Hopefully you can find it from that vague description!!

Dean.

[clemensm]

Hmmm. Well, what you told me to do worked but I still can't figure out how to post a thread on any other page. I am pretty technically savvy (or at least I used to think so). I can't figure out why this is so difficult to do!

Why isn't there a "Post a new thread" button somewhere on the home page where you can do EVERYTHING else?? Has that button been purposefully left off to dicourage too many posts?

You guys have been very nice and helpful. I guess I'm just going to have putz around and figure this out in the forums I usually look at. Unfortunately none of them seem to have the "Post a new thread" button in them.

Thanks guys!

[chodosh]

A friend told me a horror story and I am trying to pin down the cause. The effect is that all of the links unloaded after the 0607 upgrade. The user(s) opened the file and specified worksets. Now all of the links are unloaded. My hunch is that someone somewhere is on the last build (0524) somewhere else inside the file or the links and this is causing the problem. Does this make sense? Is there a way to test this theory? Thoughts? Ideas? Factory??

Thank you,
Stephen

For anyone who read this[above] from Stephen (everyone seems too distracted by comm center and AUGI basics right now...) I like Stephen's suggestion that this may have been a file between two builds... in fact a little birdy told me it was... However, it would seem now that the links unloading issue probably is related to the Type vs. Instance of each linked Revit file... and the associated worksets differing from each other. Perhaps a topic for another thread. Nice digging, Stephen, and special thanks to SC.

Here's a question, though, for the rest of us: what are some of the reasons behind the taboo about two build versions sharing one file with worksets enabled? Thoughts? Ideas? Or, for that matter with different build versions working together on the same job but on different files that are linked to each other? Is it the build content that makes this a concern, so a minor patch maybe could be ignored and a major rebuild (like this past one or two) are something you need to pay serious attention to?

Thank you,
LC

[s.messing]

Why isn't there a "Post a new thread" button somewhere on the home page where you can do EVERYTHING else?? Has that button been purposefully left off to dicourage too many posts?

Shot in the dark, but it seems to make sense: To post a new thread, you must find the correct forum (or at least what you think is the most correct forum). For example, as soon as you find the revit architecture general forum, the top button on the main part of the screen says New Thread. If you posted anywhere before you got to Revit architecture, you would have posted prematurely and your post could have been lost in the shuffle. It's actually a pretty good way to help people get to the right place. It took me a little while to get used to it, but after I bookmarked Revit Architecture General in Internet Explorer, I could just one click it and end up at the latest posts. (I think Steve Stafford gave me that little trick- Thanks Steve!)



For anyone who read this[above] from Stephen (everyone seems too distracted by comm center and AUGI basics right now...) I like Stephen's suggestion that this may have been a file between two builds... in fact a little birdy told me it was... However, it would seem now that the links unloading issue probably is related to the Type vs. Instance of each linked Revit file... and the associated worksets differing from each other. Perhaps a topic for another thread. Nice digging, Stephen, and special thanks to SC.
As for this gem: Beware all ye who feel confident in Revit. This one stumped me and still seems a bit counter-intuitive. We had to call in the big guns from the factory to explain it to us(thanks guys). If you link a revit file (or anything for that matter) onto a workset and then change its workset or copy it to another workset, it now technically resides in two places (the copy is the instance and the original is the type). If you turn off either of the worksets that hold this link, it will unload (as it should).

So: Imagine that a seasoned revit user links in a revit file and then, d'oh, it's on the wrong workset. Well, I'll simply change the workset to the correct one (maybe you have one called linked revit files). BUT, now that link is on two worksets. Be careful...

Cheers,
Stephen

[Wesley]

Here's a question, though, for the rest of us: what are some of the reasons behind the taboo about two build versions sharing one file with worksets enabled? Thoughts? Ideas? Or, for that matter with different build versions working together on the same job but on different files that are linked to each other?

Not so sure about the taboo status, but...

Autodesk themselves issued a warning that this was a big no-no, and it is fairly unusual for them to do that, so I paid pretty close attention.

[dbaldacchino]

Thanks guys for bringing this workset issue up when it comes to Revit links. Does anyone know the purpose of a Type parameter for worksets? When you turn off the visibility of a workset in a view, only the workset set in the instance parameter seems to make any difference. So why do we have 2 separate settings?

[chodosh]

... Does anyone know the purpose of a Type parameter for worksets? When you turn off the visibility of a workset in a view, only the workset set in the instance parameter seems to make any difference. So why do we have 2 separate settings?
Good question, one I've been dying to ask myself here, it's a real curiosity... The RVT Type appears to be tied to whether or not it is Loaded/Referenced into your file (e.g. Manage Links). I would assume, as you are suggesting, that "visible in all views by default" and VG on/off are controlling the Instance of the RVT, not the Type. All that said, I am just as mystified as you are why you would need to apply a different Workset to control visibility than you would to control whether the RVT Link was being pulled in at all. Are we missing something? This may be a better topic for another thread, but how do you use the Type of a RVT Link efficiently?
Best,
LC

[Chad Smith]

Can't get it to work here either.I thought for kicks I would give this another go today, and for some strange reason it worked :shock:.

[Brockway]

Sorry, I don't have the patience to read through 10 pages of posts:

Is there a webpage somewhere that lists every build in a given version of Revit and what was updated in each build? All I can find at autodesk is the information on the latest build.