Ceiling Tag

[Martin Figlarz]

So I am trying to create a Ceiling tag like the one attached.

Room Number on top
Ceiling Hight on the below

For some reason I can't get the Room Number Lable to work.

What am I doing wrong?

[sbrown]

You can't do what you want because tags are object specific. So a room will tag a room and a ceiling will tag a ceiling. this is one of those cases where you may want to change your standard way of doing things for the automatic accurate way that revit handles this. Ie a sep room tag and a sep ceiling tag.

[Martin Figlarz]

ok ... thanks... it make sense... I just wanted to make sure it was not me doing something wrong.

[twiceroadsfool]

You can't do what you want because tags are object specific. So a room will tag a room and a ceiling will tag a ceiling. this is one of those cases where you may want to change your standard way of doing things for the automatic accurate way that revit handles this. Ie a sep room tag and a sep ceiling tag.

Question about that-

Im not sure if this is the case, so stop me if im wrong... When you put a ceiling in a room, it assigns a "ceiling height" value to the room, in the Room Finish Schedule.

So couldnt he accomplish what hes after using just a room tag, and using the ceiling height parameter from there? I know it doesnt always report correctly, when ceilings are varying.

In the end id use two tags as well, im just curious if anyone has used the ceiling height parameter from the Room itself...

[adb]

That was my thought initially...BUT the ceiling height in the room object is completely independent from the actual height of the ceiling object. They can be totally different and you have to keep track of them both.

You think that is not a big deal until you have to start computing accurate room volumes for HVAC calcs. The volume calcs for a room don't even look at the ceiling height parameter in the room object.

From the help menu:

"Room volume is computed as follows: The extent of a room is taken at the base level of the room or the height specified in the Room and Area Settings dialog. It is then multiplied by the value of the Upper Limit parameter, as defined in the room properties. The resulting computations produce the value of the Volume parameter."

Confusing enough? Well, I won't even get into the Unbound Height and how important that becomes when dealing with sloped ceilings and roofs.

Just be careful when using the height parameter in the room object. It can come back to bite you if you are trying to calculate volumes.

If I'm off base, I'm sure someone will step in and clarify.

[twiceroadsfool]

That was my thought initially...BUT the ceiling height in the room object is completely independent from the actual height of the ceiling object. They can be totally different and you have to keep track of them both.



Thats interesting. Ill have to look at our model more closely. Im fairly certain we havent been hard keying the values for the ceiling ht in the Room Schedule, i thought it was populated by the actual ceiling elements.

Ill have to look in to this more.

In the end, id still use two tags, i suppose...

[adb]

I'm sure you are not hard keying the ceiling height in the schedule. It's probably pulling the ceiling height from the "height offset from level" parameter in the ceiling object.

All I'm trying to say is that if you create a parameter called "ceiling height" in your room object for purposes of creating a tag, you need to be very careful how this height is calculated.

[twiceroadsfool]

I'm sure you are not hard keying the ceiling height in the schedule. It's probably pulling the ceiling height from the "height offset from level" parameter in the ceiling object.

All I'm trying to say is that if you create a parameter called "ceiling height" in your room object for purposes of creating a tag, you need to be very careful how this height is calculated.

Ooooh, got ya. We're saying the same thing. :) I would never advocate creating a NEW parameter called Clng Ht for just the reason you mentioned.

I was jst speculating maybe you could get the system parameter "ceiling height" (from wherever it reads... it must be the ceiling offset, as you said) in to the tag. Im just not sure you can actually do it... Even though it populates as a room item in the room schedule, the field may not be available for a room tag, ive never looked...

[Martin Figlarz]

We are pretty new as a company to this Revit business so I'm trying what I can to make the transition easy for some of the old times that are use to looking and seeing the familiar … but at the same time I want to convince them that sometimes we need to change things b/c they just don’t work that way in Revit world.


So what I’m trying to say is thanks… this makes things easier for me!

[twiceroadsfool]

A word of advice:

We are completely redoing our Revit standards in the office currently. The first set of standards was done with the intent of making all of our drawings ***look*** like the old AutoCAD versions.

You will bark up more trees that get you stuck on a limb, if you pursue that avenue. It will be a much easier transition to just explain to them all of the benefits of the object oriented intelligence, and tell them that to use that intelligence, some things have to look differently.

We've had much more success with that approach, than trying to get everything to look the same.

Good luck, and keep us updated!