hand471037
2004-08-20, 03:47 PM
I love some of the things I hear from heavy ADT people who know nothing about Revit.
"Revit can't handle large buildings"- when once I was talking to a heavy ADT user who was complaining that his sections on a five story 30,000 sq ft building were taking over 30 minutes to generate... when Revit does the same thing in minutes. When I showed him that fact using a project in Revit the same size as the one he was doing in ADT, he said 'but Revit can't handle large buildings'. He asked me to make a major change, like move an exterior wall on the stair tower or something, and I did, and my P4 *laptop* updated the whole model, every view, and even things like the floors, stair width, and more all live and in front of him -I mean it's wasn't lightening fast, but it did it in a minute or so- he finally started listening to what I was saying, and wound up buying Revit the following week...
"Revit can't detail"- when I've been able to detail within Revit faster than I've ever been able to detail within AutoCAD, to the point that I detail in Revit and export back to Autocad rather than take the extra time to draw it in Autocad...
"Revit can't handle complex modeling like I do in Form-Z/VIZ/whatever"- that was from a heavy Form-Z user, who when I showed her the ruled curtain system, and made a very complex and curved curtain wall in several minutes, and then asked her how long something like that would take in Form-Z, she said 'a day'. That I stretched and altered the wall on the fly, as well as resized all the mullions, and asked her how long that would take her, to which she replied "I'd have to start over". then she said again that "but Revit can't handle the complex modeling I do..."
My favorite is that the codebase of Revit is 'too messy' and in some abstract way flawed- when I've seen bugs linger in AutoCAD and ADT for YEARS, simple things like display order in x-refs, or the problems with truetype fonts, or the fact that *just now* can it use more than 256 colors...
But the thing that really kills me is that there is this assumption that ADT does work well in the first place. It works, yes, and it works well for some, but this strange automatic assumption that something Revit doesn't do is something that ADT can do it is something that I'll just never get. Like assuming that ADT and ABS work flawlessly together because Revit doesn't work with ABS- when there are a myriad of issues in getting ADT and ABS working together. Or the assumption that Revit can't handle something like a 22 story building (please) coming from an ADT instructor who's probably never worked on a project that size, and has no idea what doing a 22 story building in ADT is probably like (which I would imagine would be more painful than doing it in Revit, but that's my biased assumption there :) ).
Then there's the other side of the coin too, the "me too", where Revit can do phasing, so people will say that ADT can do phasing too, when in reality there is no phasing toolset within ADT, and you're actually using Display Reps and Layers in a very complex process to have phasing (and a rather cumbersome and limited phasing as well)- something that even the ADT heavies I know talk about being *possible* but not something they really *do*.
"Revit can't handle large buildings"- when once I was talking to a heavy ADT user who was complaining that his sections on a five story 30,000 sq ft building were taking over 30 minutes to generate... when Revit does the same thing in minutes. When I showed him that fact using a project in Revit the same size as the one he was doing in ADT, he said 'but Revit can't handle large buildings'. He asked me to make a major change, like move an exterior wall on the stair tower or something, and I did, and my P4 *laptop* updated the whole model, every view, and even things like the floors, stair width, and more all live and in front of him -I mean it's wasn't lightening fast, but it did it in a minute or so- he finally started listening to what I was saying, and wound up buying Revit the following week...
"Revit can't detail"- when I've been able to detail within Revit faster than I've ever been able to detail within AutoCAD, to the point that I detail in Revit and export back to Autocad rather than take the extra time to draw it in Autocad...
"Revit can't handle complex modeling like I do in Form-Z/VIZ/whatever"- that was from a heavy Form-Z user, who when I showed her the ruled curtain system, and made a very complex and curved curtain wall in several minutes, and then asked her how long something like that would take in Form-Z, she said 'a day'. That I stretched and altered the wall on the fly, as well as resized all the mullions, and asked her how long that would take her, to which she replied "I'd have to start over". then she said again that "but Revit can't handle the complex modeling I do..."
My favorite is that the codebase of Revit is 'too messy' and in some abstract way flawed- when I've seen bugs linger in AutoCAD and ADT for YEARS, simple things like display order in x-refs, or the problems with truetype fonts, or the fact that *just now* can it use more than 256 colors...
But the thing that really kills me is that there is this assumption that ADT does work well in the first place. It works, yes, and it works well for some, but this strange automatic assumption that something Revit doesn't do is something that ADT can do it is something that I'll just never get. Like assuming that ADT and ABS work flawlessly together because Revit doesn't work with ABS- when there are a myriad of issues in getting ADT and ABS working together. Or the assumption that Revit can't handle something like a 22 story building (please) coming from an ADT instructor who's probably never worked on a project that size, and has no idea what doing a 22 story building in ADT is probably like (which I would imagine would be more painful than doing it in Revit, but that's my biased assumption there :) ).
Then there's the other side of the coin too, the "me too", where Revit can do phasing, so people will say that ADT can do phasing too, when in reality there is no phasing toolset within ADT, and you're actually using Display Reps and Layers in a very complex process to have phasing (and a rather cumbersome and limited phasing as well)- something that even the ADT heavies I know talk about being *possible* but not something they really *do*.