moving building model to align with topo....

[ntnik]

I have gotten out ahead of a survey with development of the model. Wasnt really worried as civil was going to do surface drainage. I need to site my model and do my own. Building is a few hundred feet below my toposurface. Just make sure everything is on and draw the big box , move, disjoin, drag it to where i want it? Will that do it?

[Gadget Man]

If you have all of the objects/families tied up directly or indirectly to one or more of the levels and have the levels locked against each other with the locked dimensions (eg. in an elevation view) then moving one of the levels up or down (or typing its new elevation value) will (should) move all of your model together.

If you have created any 2D lines or placed any details in the elevations/section views (including any crop regions) they usually will not update automatically. However, if you know the distance by what you moved your model up or down, going to each elevation/section view and highlighting all the left behind 2D details, crop regions, lines, etc. and moving them the same distance is a breeze...

As a matter of fact, it usually happens in our practice that we don't have any site level details at the Preliminary Drawings stage, so we almost always model the buildings first and move them up or down as required later. That's why it pays to model EVERYTHING in relation to a level or to something else related to a level. Than everything moves together.

[Dimitri Harvalias]

we almost always model the buildings first and move them up or down as required later. .

Jerry,
your office prefers this to the Relocate Project approach?

[Gadget Man]

Jerry,
your office prefers this to the Relocate Project approach?

Dimitri, I think you could call it just that although, funny enough, we never use this in-built function. Maybe we do it the hard way, but we found that simply moving a level (or re-typing its elevation) in the elevation/section view is the quickest way of achieving the result we seek. This is for the vertical adjustments, of course.

For the relocating of a model on a site in plan view we NEVER move the model. It is FORBIDDEN in our office under the punishment of a slow and painful death... Instead we move/rotate the surveyors' site dwg file temporary grouped together with the boundaries, topography and any other associated elements we created. We found that, since there is only few site elements to worry about, moving a model is usually much more complicated process and it's in much greater risk of leaving something behind.

I tried the Relocate Project function several times and I feel that somehow I am more in control doing it all manually. It takes only a few seconds anyway...

[rkitect]

Only takes a few seconds? Does this hold true on 9 story, 750k SF projects?

[Kevin Janik]

I have tried the Relocate Project tool but I think I am missing something.

We need to move the building laying over an AutoCAD drawing about 2 inches south and still have the drawings come in at the same location they did not move with the relocated project. When I use the tool the drawing seems to follow the building.

How would you get the entire project minus the drawing file to move so we are not hanging over the property line? I suggested just moving the drawing but they did not like that being use to the AutoCAD work issues. I don't want to try to literally pick up all the project entities and move them so little bit. I am sure something will not move and we will be tracking down issues for a while.

Kevin

[Gadget Man]

Only takes a few seconds? Does this hold true on 9 story, 750k SF projects?


...We need to move the building laying over an AutoCAD drawing about 2 inches south...

It doesn't matter the size or complexity of the building! That's the real beauty of this method... In fact, bigger the size and more complex the building my method proves even better!

You see, that's why in my practice nobody is ALLOWED to move a BUILDING - only the SITE!

When you think about it - it comes to the same end result - if you move your entire building by 2 inches south or you move ONLY your site by 2 inches north - the final result is exactly the same! But to move the site, even together with an underpinned DWG drawing, its boundaries, toposurface and what have you is still FAR EASIER than to highlight ALL of the model (building(s)) elements, making sure that NOTHING is left behind and than move it...

Moving site only you have to worry only about 5-6 elements. Moving the building - you tell me how many HUNDREDS of elements is there...

As to changing building's position VERTICALLY - well, if all of your levels are locked properly as they should be at the begining, all you have to do is just go to the elevation/section view and re-type ONE value - for ONE level only - everything else follows. To me nothing could be any easier...

[dhurtubise]

Im gonna agree with Dimitri here. Relocating your project is the way to go. If you move that DWG you might have issues later when you (or if) export to DWG for coordination. As a rule of thumb, site should always guide the coords.