Placeing text in model or paperspace?

[cwjean76]

I'm curious on where many of you place your text and dimensions in drawings (model or paperspace). The issue comes about when having viewports in paperspace set at different scales and whether to have different text and dimension styles when typing in modelspace. Also, is there a LISP anywhere that would change the appearance of text in viewports set at different scales?

[H-Angus]

I'm curious on where many of you place your text and dimensions in drawings (model or paperspace). The issue comes about when having viewports in paperspace set at different scales and whether to have different text and dimension styles when typing in modelspace. Also, is there a LISP anywhere that would change the appearance of text in viewports set at different scales?

As of 2008 the annotative text/dims feature mean you just put all in model space.

[billy342601]

99% of all of our text goes into model space. Borders, title blocks and some general notes are all that appears in paper space. Makes it much easier to manipulate if something changes with a detail and conflicts can be fixed faster.

[rrancourt]

I am in agreement with the above posts. Only our titleblock and general notes are in paper space, while all other drawing notation and dimensions are in model space. We are currently running 2007LT, so on the occasions where we have "blown-up" details and such at a different scale factor, we simply freeze the text and dimension layers in the new viewport, and have another text/dimensioning layer that we use to detail the geometry...after seeing everything that is capable with annotation scaling in 2008, I am anixous for the upgrade.

[dgorsman]

We currently have a split between 3D model-based drawings and simple 2D drawings. The 3D drawings have the annotations (text, dimensions, title block and the like) in paper space - its easier than trying to fight through 2D stuff in a referenced 3D model, and the final product is "flattened" to 2D in paper space anyways. The other drawings are completely in model space, so there is no point in putting the annotations in paper space - half of those do not have a scale and the other half are legacy drawings that we don't have the budget to convert.

[Richard.Kent]

I'm curious on where many of you place your text and dimensions in drawings (model or paperspace). The issue comes about when having viewports in paperspace set at different scales and whether to have different text and dimension styles when typing in modelspace. Also, is there a LISP anywhere that would change the appearance of text in viewports set at different scales?

I think you would need to specify the type of work you are doing for the poll to be meaningful. For 3D work I will place the dims in MS so the dims are displaying the true lengths. For Piping plans I will usually place the dims in PS. For sections and details I will usually use PS. If those become a standard block then I will use chspace to move the dims into MS. Most notes, keyed notes, etc. will go in PS. For machine shop drawings I mostly put the dims and notes in PS.

[cwjean76]

I think you would need to specify the type of work you are doing for the poll to be meaningful. For 3D work I will place the dims in MS so the dims are displaying the true lengths. For Piping plans I will usually place the dims in PS. For sections and details I will usually use PS. If those become a standard block then I will use chspace to move the dims into MS. Most notes, keyed notes, etc. will go in PS. For machine shop drawings I mostly put the dims and notes in PS.

Thanks for the input. I suppose you're right. This is the first poll I have ever posted. I wasn't taking into account the number of individuals who do 3D work and how that would affect the poll. It was just a general question that I wanted to get everyone's opinion on. Maybe the poll wasn't the way to do it. :Oops:

The work I do is simply 2D....designing fire alarm systems, cctv, access control, security, etc. Placing our text in MS w/ only a few notes in PS. Our problem came about when we had areas at different scales in our layout that was changing the way the text was displayed. I guess, I was looking to find a way to keep all the text looking the same w/o having to create different styles, etc.

[H-Angus]

Thanks for the input. I suppose you're right. This is the first poll I have ever posted. I wasn't taking into account the number of individuals who do 3D work and how that would affect the poll. It was just a general question that I wanted to get everyone's opinion on. Maybe the poll wasn't the way to do it. :Oops:

The work I do is simply 2D....designing fire alarm systems, cctv, access control, security, etc. Placing our text in MS w/ only a few notes in PS. Our problem came about when we had areas at different scales in our layout that was changing the way the text was displayed. I guess, I was looking to find a way to keep all the text looking the same w/o having to create different styles, etc.

That is exactly what is addressed with the annotative dims/text in 2008, previously we would have dim styles/text of different sizes on different layers and turned on/off accordingly in viewports of different scales. Only thing in PS is title blocks.

3D work is different and a combination of PS/MS text is used depending on what were doing.

[smooth shoes]

where i work is a little behind the times. we still do everything in model space. I haven't experimented enough to comment on this poll. sorry

[robert.1.hall72202]

99% of all of our text goes into model space. Borders, title blocks and some general notes are all that appears in paper space. Makes it much easier to manipulate if something changes with a detail and conflicts can be fixed faster.

I would have to agree with you......wouldn't it be a pain to work between model
and paperspace if you had to switch just to change the text on a detail?

[RICHARD_JONES]

Our problem came about when we had areas at different scales in our layout that was changing the way the text was displayed. I guess, I was looking to find a way to keep all the text looking the same w/o having to create different styles, etc.

No need to create different styles, just set your dim style to “scale dimension to layout”, located on the fit tab in the dimension style manager. Your text style also needs to have the height set to zero. Unfortunately you can’t get around the multiple layers issue without upgrading to 2008.:(

[RICHARD_JONES]

Oops forgot, I’m in the all text in model space except for the drawing border and misc. general notes camp.

[Doodlemusmaximus]

strange rabbit here, i prefer paperspace. I know most people I come across in the industry still use model but honestly once you get used to the idea it is much easier to use. i've had little if no problems with it so far.

[sschwartz85916]

strange rabbit here, i prefer paperspace. I know most people I come across in the industry still use model but honestly once you get used to the idea it is much easier to use. i've had little if no problems with it so far.

This issue is just one of the issues I have been trying to get changed in our office. We have no inhouse architects anymore, yet most of our standards still adhere to the 'architectural way' of doing things. :banghead:

IMHO: General notes, project notes, and key notes should be in paperspace. Everything else should be in model. I don't know how many times I have had to copy between drawings panelboard labels!!!
I don't know how many times I have xrefd in the mechanical sheets only to have to open them up myself just to see what the equipment is called. EF-1? CT-1? CT-3?

Not to mention the fact if the backgrounds are cut up, we don't do a composite electrical plan, everything is 'live' on each sheet. (That's not going to change). I have seen portions of the plans not even picked up, or portions drawn twice (one on this sheet, one on the next). It makes for poor coordination, when you can't see circuit numbers from one plan to the next in model space via xrefing... Yes most of this is due to poor coordination and checking, but still... it is tres frustrating!

Ok, I am done venting on this subject. I believe many of our clients are insisting that project specific notes/tags be in paper, and the non-specific project stuff(ductwork sizes, conduit and piping sizes, equipment tags, etc) go in model.

[Filipe Francisco]

I used in Model,

but in some cases I use both (model and space) it depends the work.


Cheers :beer:

[jaberwok]

Mspace/Pspace isn't the only factor.
Architectural users seem to be far less likely to dimension in pspace than engineering users.

[H-Angus]

Mspace/Pspace isn't the only factor.
Architects seem to be far less likely to add dimensions than engineering users.

Fixed it for ya:p

But yes you're right an individuals requirements will dictate which method is preferred for any given situation.

[The VLG]

Alot of our txt is in modelspace as we also use multiple xrefs it would be a huge amount of extra work to use PS, however, we use PS for revision notes etc...

[sschwartz85916]

Alot of our txt is in modelspace as we also use multiple xrefs it would be a huge amount of extra work to use PS, however, we use PS for revision notes etc...

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(the huge amount of work part)

[aport]

99% of all of our text goes into model space. Borders, title blocks and some general notes are all that appears in paper space. Makes it much easier to manipulate if something changes with a detail and conflicts can be fixed faster.

The engineering firm I work for uses this method as a standard, makes sense.

[dzatto]

Just start using PN!!! That way, you do all of your annotation in the view file (in model space). That file has all of your contstucts and elements Xre'd into it. Then, just drag and drop it in your sheet file and plot. Works great for me!

OH wait! Does vanilla CAD have PN? I'm using ACA, sorry, forgot I was in this forum. I'll shut up now..................

[KJBIKE7]

My office we have the contour labels in model space. All other text and dimensions are in paperspace. It is all set 1:1 and just make a new dim style for the different scale details. We are a civil engineering firm and use 2008. It has made life MUCH easier. I used to work for a firm that did everything in model space. What a headache. Paperspace is the way to go.

[H-Angus]

OH wait! Does vanilla CAD have PN? I'm using ACA, sorry, forgot I was in this forum.

Unfortunately not.



I'll shut up now..................

Yeah :shock: I'll believe that when I see it :mrgreen:

[dzatto]

Unfortunately not.



Yeah :shock: I'll believe that when I see it :mrgreen:
Hey now!
Why you little..............................
Oops, I'm talking again.....................:lol:

Just one reason why I love ACA!!! The other is that I don't have Revit, so no need in loving that program. :|

[durrcraig740145]

I have two dimension styles that were copies of each oh though one has the extensions line set to center.
When I switch between them, the text becomes the value as in paper space. Eve when I switch back to original style it doest go back to the model space value.
Any suggestion how to fix?