How to properly show existing and new doors in a door schedule

[steve.123620]

Hello all- I am working on a project with existing and new phases. I have everything on the proper phase and have generated my door schedule. Both new and existing doors show up on the schedule, which is great since I need the existing doors on the schedule to show new hardware for them. However, I would like the door width, height and thickness to go away on the schedule since they are existing. Any way to take that info off the schedule for just the existing doors? Thanks for any help.

Steve Blackburn
MPA Architects, Inc.

[aggockel50321]

Not sure if it will affect you in some other way, but I think you'd have to do two schedules, one for existing, and one for new (set phase filter for new schedule to "show complete").

Then for the existing shedule, you could remove the width, height, and thickness parameters.

[steve.123620]

Thanks - I hadn't thought of a separate schedule for existing doors. I will set it up that way, esp. since I am under the gun to get the project finished. I would still be interested, though, if anyone has a way to do it in one schedule.

[Steve_Stafford]

...if anyone has a way to do it in one schedule...Revit will not let you selectively choose which values to display within a column of results. From the user's perspective a blank field in a schedule (looking at printed pages) is ambiguous, did they forget to enter something?

Fwiw, I don't think that you can hide a selective result in a database like Access (in a query)either. You either show all the responses or sort them in some fashion but you can't show some and not others.

[mrice.47661]

I'd be interested in a little more discussion on this particular subject, as we're trying to set up some standards for door schedules in our template files, and I'm looking at what all of the possibilities/options are.

I've been able to add a Yes/No parameter to all of our door families called "Include in Schedule" - which lets me selectively remove a door from the schedule if it is existing and not undergoing any modifications (for example). This seems to function pretty well at providing some fine tuning where filters might not make sense.

But I'm curious if anyone has found any workarounds to address the original question? - Whether there might be some (parameter driven?) method of overriding the display of a particular schedule display.

What is a little humorous is that Revit does allow us to very easily override the display of the column headings in any schedule - so I'm not sure what the difficulty would be in providing the same functionality within the body of the schedule. The data field could still be held, but a "formatting" variable or something like that could be added.

Any thoughts?

[Steve_Stafford]

Overriding headings makes sense where a parameter name might not be elegant enough to include on a schedule. Altering the actual information associated with the scheduled item can introduce doubt, in the end user and others who come into contact with the data. Ideally Revit won't permit us to introduce ambiguity in views, including schedules (though it already does quite a bit with the override features introduced in 2008). The more overrides Revit permits the more the resulting documents will be ambiguous and the more user interaction that will be required to ensure that information is truly correct.

Separate reports according to different rules makes more sense to me than being able to override the display of data within a given cell in a schedule. But then I've already "drunk" the Kool-Aid and my years of working with databases makes me vulnerable.

[dbaldacchino]

The only way I can think of doing this is by having unique doors for Existing vs New.

a) Add Length shared parameters "Height_S" and "Width_S" to both existing door families and new door families (or whatever name...I'm using "S" here to differentiate between the height and width parameters in the door family);

b) For new doors, type in formula =Height for parameter "Height_S" and =Width for "Width_S".

c) For existing doors, leave the value blank. You will not be able to make them display text such as "N/A" since they are Length parameters;

Build your schedule as before. Now new doors will display the width and height, while existing doors will not. Just as a side note, you can also make the plan swing on existing doors be 45 degrees, which is a widely used convention to clearly identify existing and new doors (a legend to indicate this would help too).

[ita]

I find the easiest way is to add an 'X' as a prefix of suffix to the door/window Mark in the "Existing Phase" and this sorts out the remaining doors/windows in the later door/window schedules - it also enables a schedule to be constructed of removed or demolished doors/windows.
What would be great is a way to track an existing door/window that is being reused in a different location - IE the Mark No could be permanently attached to the object and the object tracked. True for other family objects as well. This wish would most probably not effect practices who are not involved in restoration and refurbishment etc projects - but a very helpful tool for those that do. A wish list item - probably not!