Text in Design Option

[cek]

While working in a Design Option if you place text ,it appears to pass through to the base model. If you exit the option and then return to the option the text is screened as if on the base but is editable.

Is there a setting to keep the text with the option only?

It seems if anything is placed in the option it should remain in the option and not move to the base. This also seems to be the case with drafted lines.

Any insights?

[twiceroadsfool]

Drafted elements, and elements that are in View Worksets (Text, drafted lines, etc) cannot be part of design options. They are in the "view". You will want to duplicate the view, and set it to that specific option under VG. Basically, set up a dupe of the view for each option...

[gbrowne]

Text and draughting info is not part of the option, its just view specific. However, it won't appear on any other views.

[cek]

Thanks for the advice.

Seems like a work around, as don't see any particular reason to have the text and drafted lines drop through to the base. This aspect of the program only makes managing the project more difficult with multiple bases for each scheme you could wind up with alot of base duplicates.

I hope this is an item that has been addressed in 2009.

[gbrowne]

Its not really a workaround, text/detail lines are always view specific, design options or not..

[patricks]

Yeah, I mean usually you're going to have separate views for each design option anyway, to show to the client, so you would just put your text notes separately on each of those views that relate to different aspects of the design option.

[twiceroadsfool]

I hope this is an item that has been addressed in 2009.

It hasnt been addressed, as there really isnt anything to address, as has already been said. If the drafting lines are really an issue, you could use model lines, and then place them in the design option... Although i certainly wouldnt go that way...

[cek]

So what purposed is served by having the text and lines pass through to the base?

[twiceroadsfool]

Its not passing through to the "base," text isnt modeled. Nothing that exists as part of a "view" can be part of a design option.

What purpose isnt served that way? If i have a floor plan callout showing Option 1, i duplicate it with detailing, and name it Option 2, and adjust my notes. Then i do the same for Options 3 and 4. When my client pics Option 3, i make it primary, and accept it, and the other three views go away automatically. It works really well, in my opinion. :shrug:

[cek]

I can see your point if everything resides in the option and duplicates with each new option.

In our case we are working on a development with existing site elements and structures and what to explore options for subsequent phases. What we were trying to do was have the existing model and related text elements reside on one copy of the base site plan. So when each option is made primary the single base site plan is fully representative of the exsting and primary option with text (in the option) identifying the scheme.

By making duplicates: scheme A, B & C of the base site plan and identifying them as such; when option 'A' is primary schemes 'B' & 'C' are not representing options B & C. They contain the primary option 'A' even though they have been given the titles Scheme B & Scheme C and contain text related to the scheme. For example scheme B identifies the building as 20,000 s.f. but with the primary scheme 'A' selected for a 35,000 s.f. building the text no longer correspondes to the buidling envelope.

This starts to get confusing for someone not familar with the project.

With text and drafted lines being unique to each plan view, why not have them unique to each option? Seems pretty simple to me.

[twiceroadsfool]

The views for "SCheme B and Scheme C" can be changed to reflect their actual Scheme, instead of always showing the primary, by going in to the VG dialogue of the view and setting the design option to the appropriate Scheme, instead of being on automatic. Automatic means it will always show the primary. OR, you set up a few for each scheme, and set it to the scheme in VG, and it ALWAYS shows that scheme. Would that alleviate some of the issue?

Also, if most of the notes for the existing stuff are the same, note up the first scheme, and Detail Group the notes, then drop the group in the other plans. Now you only have to edit the *main* group once to update lal three, and the specific notes can be loose in the different views.

There is no need to have the views reverting back to primary, so there is no need to have the text not correlate with the drawing. I hope that helps...

[cek]

I met with Steve and Jake last night, two regulars to the forum, and Jake clarified that given the way we were approaching the project the solution to the problem of having the default primary scheme show up in duplicate plan with a different scheme designation is found in the Visibility Graphics control.

Here you can determine which option is shown for a particular plan by selecting the appropriate option under the Design Options Tab.

[cek]

Oppps,

Thanks Aaron, Didn't see your response as it was on the second tab. You echoed what I heard last night.

Sorry I didn't explain in depth how we were approaching the project. It would have helped get to the solution faster.

I'll try to be more concise in the future.

[twiceroadsfool]

Its all good man! We're all here because we want to be productive with Revit, and Design Options are a great tool.

I didnt catch that you had all views set to automatic until the way you worded your last response on the first page.

Glad you got it sorted out now... It all makes more sense, why it was bothering you, haha.