Doors, Demolition, Infills and Joins

[jcoe]

This is my scenario.

I am renovating toilet rooms as part of a project. Part of the demolition work calls for the removal of the existing ceramic tile. So I created a backup wall and then added my ceramic tile wall in front to illustrate the demolition scope. Where the existing door occurs, I had to join the walls so the door would cut through both. So far so good.
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Now I am working on the reconstruction portion of the same room. With the existing ceramic tile gone, I can now place my new ceramic tile wall in front of the existing backup. Again, at the new door location, I need to join the walls together to get the door to cut both walls. This is where the problem occurs. For some reason, there is a piece of new ceramic tile wall showing through my door and my door frame is not wrapping as expected. I suspect that the wall infill is interfering, but am unable to find a way to resolve this.
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Any Ideas as to what is happening here?
Did I not do something correct? or is this expected?
Is there a better approach?

[arqt49]

Have you considered using phasing?

[patricks]

He is using phasing. But in his case only the wall's finish is being demolished, not the entire wall.

Not sure on that. Could you copy just that particular wall w/ old and new finish layers and door to a new file and post it here?

What if you set the ends of all your demo'd CT to Disallow Join? Not sure if that would have any effect, just throwing it out there. Revit is trying to join lots of things at those corners (3 different walls on different phases) so setting some walls to not join might help simplify things. It shouldn't be a big deal for the demo'd finish layers to not join since you're just wanting to show dashed lines anyway to indicate that they are coming out.

[arqt49]

Sorry about the silly comment.
I guessed you should be able to demolish a split face, not the entire wall.
I was wrong again :P

[twiceroadsfool]

All walls in the near vicinity set to Dissallow join, and reference plane the **** out of it. I find things behave better int hose cases.

We did a LOT of situations just like that on a recent job. Walls to remain, doors to demo and not infill, some to infill, some to infill AND get new doors, etc... Handled it all with phasing, and some compying adn pasting of walls with edited sketches where we didnt want the walls to infill.

Basically put a wall the exact size of the door, and demo'd the wall instead of the door. You might want to try that.

[jcoe]

Patricks,

I tried unjoining the wall ends like you suggested, but still encounterd the same results. I even unjoined the existing CT wall from the backup, split the CT wall and deleted the portion in front of the door - same results. I think that is has something to do with the new wall joining with the infill from my door demolition, but I cannot seem to confirm this.

Attached file.

[Andre Carvalho]

...and my door frame is not wrapping as expected...

I couldn't see how your frame was interacting with your old wall before you demolished it (the image doesn't show). But unless you have a parameter to control your frame, joining two wall will not make the frame to wrap both. It will wrap the wall where the door is hosted.

Andre Carvalho

[jcoe]

...joining two wall will not make the frame to wrap both. It will wrap the wall where the door is hosted.Andre Carvalho

Thanks for the tip on this. I never quite realized this, but now that you say it, it makes sense. This isn't as terrible as the CT wall cutting through the opening, becuase this will be handled in my jamb/ head details.

What I ended up doing to resolve this was hide the portion of CT wall that was causing the issue. However this is only view specific, so I will have to chase this around all my other views if there is not other solution.

Thanks for all the feedback.

[Andre Carvalho]

Maybe it's too late, but why don't you create a family void that will cut out that piece of wall?
You just do it once and it will be done for all your views...

Andre Carvalho

[jcoe]

Excellent suggestion Andre. This did exactly what I needed.