R2009 - Columns and Walls

[angus.110169]

Can anyone please confirm this problem I am having since upgrading my project to 2009?

In my 2008 project I had one long wall 250mm wide, I then inserted 250mm wide columns along the wall and used the join geometry tool. The wall was then "cut-out" where these columns were inserted.

Now in 2009, the structural columns are behaving erratically since the upgrade. They randomly dissappear in the plans, show overlapped or show cutting out the walls (as they should). I can no longer use the join geometry tool to cut the wall out between the columns. The columns do not automatically clean up the wall unless I delete them and reinsert them (even then it is hit and miss). The only solution that I have come up with is that I have to split all my walls where the columns appear and remove that section of wall to make sure that they behave properly.

This is very irritating, not to mention time consuming. (and I can not revert my drawing back to 2008 - having noticed this problem 1 week after upgrading)

Can anyone tell me if they have had this experience and how structural columns and continuous walls are supposed to behave? (well, at least behave consistantly)

cheers.

[patricks]

Structural columns do not automatically join to walls, only architectural columns do, and only if the family is set to do so. Structural columns also cannot use the Join Geometry tool. I have 2008 open right now and can confirm this is the case in 2008 and I'm pretty sure all previous versions.

Architectural columns will automatically take on the properties of the wall they touch, if the family is set to do so automatically. It still works like this in 2009, which I just confirmed also.

Can you post an image of what you're trying to achieve?

[angus.110169]

I want to have one long wall and place columns insdie that wall. I do not want to have to cut the wall at each column.

Previously in 2008 I placed the structural columns in the walls, and used the join geometry tool which then cut out the section of wall where the column was. (refer image)

This does not work in 2009.

I cannot get the columns to behave predictably in 2009. The walls sometime cut-out when I put a structural column in them and sometimes don't. It may be that it is because this project was started in 2009.

[JamesVan]

This seems to work fine for me in 2009 using the standard Concrete-Rectangular structural family. Didn't even need to use Join Geometry.

[angus.110169]

Yeah, works in new projects. Not the one I upgraded. Thanks =(

[mmc]

How about columns (or any model geometry for that matter) that are part of an imported model? Joining geometry from the host model with imported models doesn't seem to be possible...does anyone have a work around?

[JamesVan]

Elements from a linked file will not join with elements in the host - to my knowledge there are no workarounds to directly address this limitation. You can use the Copy-Monitor tool to monitor the grids from a linked structural file, then place architectural columns on the grids. This will make it seem like the columns in the linked file are joining with the walls in the host file (works best with steel structure).

[gaby424]

This seems to work fine for me in 2009 using the standard Concrete-Rectangular structural family. Didn't even need to use Join Geometry.

yes but have you tried to pot a beam betwen two structural columns that are inserted in the wall? The result will be that the structural column aspect is wrong(2 hatch in the same time from wall and cloumns in the same time). Available in revit 2009

[jo.moens.143894]

Hallo,

Beside the problem with the columns, we do not have success with the presentation of the beam between those columns(hosted in the structural part of the wall). It doesn't show up at all. I put it on the wishlist for RS. Please do so with the columns.

Sencerely yours,
Jo