Ceiling heights in schedule???

[andymeyer50]

Is there a way to edit the room finish schedule so the ceiling height category shows the "height offset from level" number (the actual height of the ceiling above the finish floor in the model), instead of the "limit offset" number that appears to have nothing to do with the actual height of the ceiling in the model? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!!!

[patricks]

I do not believe so. I tried to align-lock the top of my room object to the bottom of my ceiling, but it wouldn't let me do it.

Our finish schedules usually either just have a length field to type in a ceiling height. However many times I end up changing that to a plain text field, because I like to have a dash listed in the field if there is no ceiling in a particular space.

And sometimes we don't even list the ceiling height in the finish schedule. We just refer back to the RCP for ceiling height.

[greg.mcdowell]

I created another schedule using the rooms volume and area to determine its height. Volume divided by area equals height. I did it twice, once as a number and once as an interger, and then compared them. If they're the same I have the scheudle enter the height, if they're differnt I have it enter 0 (ideally it'd say "varies" but that's the next step). Then I have a manual entry field that connects to the finish schedule and retype the height or varies as appropriate. Bit of a work around but if you want and need it this is the way to go.

[Steve_Stafford]

Room finish scheduling in Revit is still more "old school" than "new school". By that I mean that ceilings don't "know" what room they are "in". It isn't always easy either because some ceilings cover many rooms and others are in just one room. It clearly is a disconnect in this brave new "BIM" world. Revit mostly supports the old school "just enter dumb data" process we've used nearly forever.

This is true of the finishes too. A wall knows what materials it has and a material takeoff knows but we can't connect the dots between the room and the walls that define it. It is nice to know how much material we have but it is just as important to know where it is.

So we have to continue to labor to coordinate this disconnected data. That is assuming we continue to document it the way we always have. We can also consider scheduling/tagging ceilings instead of indicating the ceiling heights in a schedule that is "dumb" data entry. It means that our document end users don't just refer to a schedule to determine a ceiling height or material for installation, they refer to a plan/rcp and a corresponding ceiling schedule instead. Easy to say, harder to manage the expectations of clients and of those in the field. Perhaps room finish schedules are more "old school" than "new school"? :smile:

[ejburrell67787]

We don't show ceiling heights on finishes schedules, we tag ceilings in a RCP view and use a tag that shows the actual height of the ceiling in each room. (doesn't work for sloping ceilings though I think). Perhaps a little more "new school".... :p

[patricks]

We don't show ceiling heights on finishes schedules, we tag ceilings in a RCP view and use a tag that shows the actual height of the ceiling in each room. (doesn't work for sloping ceilings though I think). Perhaps a little more "new school".... :p

That's exactly what we do... though I suspect my boss's old firm was doing that long before Revit. So I don't know about "new school" ;)

[Padave]

I created another schedule using the rooms volume and area to determine its height. Volume divided by area equals height. I did it twice, once as a number and once as an interger, and then compared them. If they're the same I have the scheudle enter the height, if they're differnt I have it enter 0 (ideally it'd say "varies" but that's the next step). Then I have a manual entry field that connects to the finish schedule and retype the height or varies as appropriate. Bit of a work around but if you want and need it this is the way to go.

but is there a way to reference that other schedule with the formula in the Room Finish Schedule, like you can reference different tabs within Exel?

Dave

[Scott Womack]

but is there a way to reference that other schedule with the formula in the Room Finish Schedule, like you can reference different tabs within Exel?

Dave

No. Revit does not have that ability.

[K_MAC_ATTACK]

I might be confused but which one of these is going to allow me to attach my room to the height of the ceiling???? I would really like to see that if my ceiling in the room is set to 8'-0" my schedule says the same... Thanks

[twiceroadsfool]

Automatically, none of them are. Thats what Steves and patricks were saying. Right now theres no automatic way to do it without outside programming.

[K_MAC_ATTACK]

That helps....Could anyone really explain to me this outside programming and if I am able to do it in Revit ARch 2010???

[twiceroadsfool]

I meant that it *might* be possible, if someone writes an app that will do it via the API or some other method. Theres an app out there that lets you associate (or re-associate, rather) doors with particular rooms, so im ASSuming someone could write an app that would let you click on a room object, then click on a ceiling, and it could potentially write that value in the room schedule.

But it wont be automatic, since youd still have to run the function.

We're leaving it out of the schedules and using ceiling tags with heights in the RCP, as has been mentioned here.

[HawkeyNut]

I agree with Mr. Stafford. It is a shame that we are still dealing with 'disconnected data'. We are having the same problem with our room finish data besides just ceiling heights.

A thought I had was to introduce a Yes/No parameter to each room asking to calculate the height or manually add it. The default could be set at 'Yes'. Then I wanted to add a Text parameter with an IF (conditional) formula. If the box was checked, the room height would be its volume divided by its area. If it was not checked, the user could enter 'Varies' or 'Existing'.

Unfortunately, I do not think it is possible to populate a Text parameter with the contents of a Length parameter. (Similar to a STR-function...STR(ROOM HEIGHT)). That would solve a lot of problems. I cannot get around the 'Inconsistent Units' error.

While I'm on the topic of formulas, it also bothers me that this is not possible:

IF(Check>10',Check,10')

Simply stated; 'Check' must always be at least 10'. Revit sees this as a circular reference; not allowing me to refer to the parameter name in the formula.

We have a long way to go until this is all 100% BIM.

[Steve_Stafford]

...While I'm on the topic of formulas, it also bothers me that this is not possible: IF(Check>10',Check,10')...You can get the end result you are after but you must use another parameter for the evaluation. You provide a parameter to enter the value you want to check. Then provide another parameter that is actually used to apply the value. The formula field for this second parameter checks the first and either uses that value or supplies your minimum 10' value.

[HawkeyNut]

You can get the end result you are after but you must use another parameter for the evaluation. You provide a parameter to enter the value you want to check. Then provide another parameter that is actually used to apply the value. The formula field for this second parameter checks the first and either uses that value or supplies your minimum 10' value.

Yes, I was aware of that 'work-around'. But it seems to be a lot of trouble for what could be a one-line formula. I suppose I would also have less of an issue with adding another parameter if I could hide some of them. They just confuse people who need to use the content. Thank you for the response though!