Copy monitor created elements?

[winnwgomez]

I have a file from our achitects , that have a few elements like columns, walls created using the create tool under modelling. however, on using copy monitor , we are unable to copy / monitor these elements.

is there any way to copy monitor these elements? i can copy them by copying to the clipboard and pasting at the same place, but we would like to also monitor any changes .

thanks in advance..

winn

[brent.vanlelyveld]

is the file from the architect a Revit Architecture file. If so then try following the instructions in this guide located at :-http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/coordination_between_revit_structure_and_revit_architecture.pdf

[caddmannq]

I was having this same issue. It turned out that some elements of the architect's model that I was trying to "copy monitor" were already created as structural dicipline elements. I don't know how they managed that. I did not want to toy with their model, so I've asked them to repair it and resubmit it. I'm still waiting for that.

[Andre Carvalho]

...I don't know how they managed that...

Revit Architecture has a Structural tab that allows to create structural elements like slabs, walls beams, columns, braces, etc...

Andre Carvalho

[caddmannq]

Revit Architecture has a Structural tab that allows to create structural elements like slabs, walls beams, columns, braces, etc...

Andre Carvalho

Thanks, Andre.

I can understand that, but why would things like windowall and the gingerbread cornice work show up as structural? There's some HSS truss work that does show up as structural, but none of the pipe columns supporting it do. I think they've defined some families under the wrong dicipline or something, but I'm clearly just guessing here.

[m20roxxers]

Yeah that happens alot, they might put columns under the columns tab which makes then not structural in nature.

Otherwise work arounds for various area's of construction that simply require them come into play.

It's recommended that anything you need that can't be copy monitored over you simply need to press tab till select the element copy to clipboard and paste same place.
I would then use the compare model tool (Revit Extensions) to check for updates on various elements in the Arch revision model, so keeping track of various non monitored elements.

You will find some people out there using Architecture are just as bad those with structure and you can end up with horrendous models that are good for little more then copy/monitor levels and grids.
I normally prep the Arch model myself before linking it in to the structure model, however I would suggest you be very proficient in Revit before doing this as you don't want to move any elements, merely change designations and justification points and so on. Again I always run a compare model between my prepped and original Architectural model to ensure no movement.

[caddmannq]

OK, thanks AJS. I think I understand. Basically we've got to re-create everything they've done & put it in Structural, tweak it 'til it's correct, send it back to the Architect, and hope they can deal with it.

Sounds just like what we've been doing with AutoCAD forever.

[m20roxxers]

Well I couldn't call it redrawing, when you copy across elements they should change to your custom line template settings.

From there you should only need to modify elements and add your structural modelling and detailing information. Again there is some remodelling but this basically due to the lack of correct structural documentation provided by the Architect which is perfectly understandable, if they designed it all structurally correct there would be no need for us.

I think the abilities of BIM make up for anything AutoCAD could pull off, and time wise I have found massive time savings compared to stripping CAD files, even if you strip the Architectural model down rather then copy/monitor elements. As for sending it back to architect, it depends on what they do with it. Some take in your settings and some just have a look and keep doing there own thing, comes down to experience with revit and if they even can be bothered or need to take in your information.