ron.sanpedro
2008-08-19, 10:45 PM
I have a complex building with a precast base in some places but not others, different heights, etc. This is part of an 8 building complex with LOTS of wall styles that MUST be consistent across models, so I am trying to keep wall styles simple and consistent, and still allow for varied conditions as needed. But I am seeing a number of problems as seen in the included image.
SETTINGS:
I have the exterior wall defined with the exterior stucco layer unlocked.
I have a separate wall type for the precast that is the same thickness as the stucco finish layer.
I have a ref plane defining the precast datum.
PROCESS:
I pull the finish layers up to the precast datum.
I place a Precast wall as needed, then adjust the top to the precast datum.
I join Geometry so the main wall so windows and doors will cut properly
PROBLEMS:
On the stucco wall, adjusting the finish layer doesn't affect inserts, only exterior face.
On the stucco wall, adjusting the finish layer doesn't affect end conditions, even when the perpendicular wall is joined and the finish layers adjusted on both.
On the precast wall, join geometry allows the openings to transfer, but the precast wall doesn't turn the corner at inserts the way the stucco wall does.
So, am I doing something wrong or is this just Revit getting me half way there and then falling flat? And if so, any suggestions for a kludge workaround? Hopefully NOT rolling this into the windows and doors, as we also have MANY of them, occurring at precast and not, and I would really rather not double my window and door count to deal with this.
And for what it is worth, we did try split face to address this, which would have worked fine if we just plopped the deign out fully formed, but this is going thru lots of revisions and split faces blow up and fail spectacularly in those situations. ;) We fantasized about using Design options to explore the precast as well, but Revit failed to work like any of us was thinking there too.
Hopefully there is an answer here. if not, there is certainly a nice bunch of wishlist items in my mind. I suspect we will run into this stuff on half or more of our projects, so for us it is anything but an isolated situation befitting a kludge.
Best,
Gordon
SETTINGS:
I have the exterior wall defined with the exterior stucco layer unlocked.
I have a separate wall type for the precast that is the same thickness as the stucco finish layer.
I have a ref plane defining the precast datum.
PROCESS:
I pull the finish layers up to the precast datum.
I place a Precast wall as needed, then adjust the top to the precast datum.
I join Geometry so the main wall so windows and doors will cut properly
PROBLEMS:
On the stucco wall, adjusting the finish layer doesn't affect inserts, only exterior face.
On the stucco wall, adjusting the finish layer doesn't affect end conditions, even when the perpendicular wall is joined and the finish layers adjusted on both.
On the precast wall, join geometry allows the openings to transfer, but the precast wall doesn't turn the corner at inserts the way the stucco wall does.
So, am I doing something wrong or is this just Revit getting me half way there and then falling flat? And if so, any suggestions for a kludge workaround? Hopefully NOT rolling this into the windows and doors, as we also have MANY of them, occurring at precast and not, and I would really rather not double my window and door count to deal with this.
And for what it is worth, we did try split face to address this, which would have worked fine if we just plopped the deign out fully formed, but this is going thru lots of revisions and split faces blow up and fail spectacularly in those situations. ;) We fantasized about using Design options to explore the precast as well, but Revit failed to work like any of us was thinking there too.
Hopefully there is an answer here. if not, there is certainly a nice bunch of wishlist items in my mind. I suspect we will run into this stuff on half or more of our projects, so for us it is anything but an isolated situation befitting a kludge.
Best,
Gordon