Revit 2009 3rd party subscriptions is not ok

[Steve Hutana]

If we allow Autodesk to starting funneling Revit users into paying 3rd party Sub fees to the likes of Archivision where will it end?

This could be only the beginning of a raft of 3rd party fees you will be "hard railed" into coughing up. For a single user you may think nothing of it @ a mear $600 p/a but what about those with multiple seats?

I accepted the need for annual subs for a software upgrade + library downloads etc yes, but this is different, if I dont pay, I can't utillise a significant part of the Revit software.

As stated elsewhere,
1. Architecture is People,Space and land, it all combines together, we need all three to convey intended design to our clients.
2. Revit users need to be able to personalise what is delivered. RPC is so hard and realish.
I need to be able to stylise my presentations my way........."I hate Tina".....LOL

Hay look..............is that Revit Lanscape 1.0 on the horizon?

[iankids]

Hi Steve,

At the moment, I am giving them the benefit of doubt.

I am hoping that the very limited rpc content and the current inability to add content from external sources (other than ArchVision) is simply a reflection of the difficulty of merging a new render engine into Revit and getting the whole shebang into the market place in a timely manner.

If AutoDesk are seeking to funnel us into an additional subscription, then the work arounds to export to Kerkytha or similar render programs will I guess become more widely known and used.

Cheers,

Ian

[trombe]

Hi Steve,

At the moment, I am giving them the benefit of doubt.

I am hoping that the very limited rpc content and the current inability to add content from external sources (other than ArchVision) is simply a reflection of the difficulty of merging a new render engine into Revit and getting the whole shebang into the market place in a timely manner.

If AutoDesk are seeking to funnel us into an additional subscription, then the work arounds to export to Kerkytha or similar render programs will I guess become more widely known and used.

Cheers,

Ian


Ian,
but you still need a reasonable OBJ converter to use Kerkythea (et al) , which really means (right now anyway), buying (for example) SketchUp Pro or similar or finding a good one free on the web.
You would not expect AD to make it easy for you to effectively use a competing product so don't expect an easy path for any use within Revit that has an external connection unless it is owned or licensed by AD.

Also, I am in total agreement with Steve on this one. I am OK to pay the AD sub as a sole practitioner and accept the necessity of doing so to cover of my "architecture design / production / presentation" software, however, I am very definitely not OK for a raft of 3rd party apps where Revit has been ported via API to screw us even more by reducing the services and development that the software manufacturer should.
We hope that AD continue to develop Revit and take it towards Generative Components quickly, because surely that product is closer to Revit as a competitor in the near future, than ArchiCAD is or is going to be soon.

It does seem insulting to see the critical mass move then, when its there, start reducing what you develop and supply into the product yourself.

If the product functionality is not developed or access / usability is effected because 3rd party applications are set up to provide what the manufacturer really should be, we would probably all be quite concerned.

While various parties plead for this functionality or that and the manufacturer simply cannot give everyone what they call for, and (probably), its the biggest seat owners / largest practices that get some heading
I would not be so worried if we did not face a substantial subscription increase OR, other parties supplied but we did not pay.
It is interesting now watching Ad and Bentley agree on anything much.
I wonder what the future is for Generative Components ?
It seems to me that Revit is more likely to be in market competition with Generative Components et al, than with a product like ArchiCAD (very soon). So maybe it is well worth keeping a close eye on how GenComp is being developed, what its user costs are, hardware reqs and so on.

Ian, I don't pretend to understand the API future in terms of licensing, but it seems to represent a window to the cash register in the same way that AutoCAD made. Where the sub heads soon is for blue sky meandering but I am not sure we don't already figure the direction and really, the users belt, has already been.......loosened hasn't it ?
regards
trombe

[iankids]

Hi Trombe & Steve,

Don't get me wrong on this, if AD are doing what you are suggesting (and I have got to say it makes perfect sense commercially for them to do so), then I am in 100% agreement with you.

I am still willing, (hoping??!!), that it is not the case.

Cheers,

Ian