Walls not cleaning up at the finishes

[ron.sanpedro]

Can anyone see why the two walls in this example don't clean up? The exterior finish layers seem to align perfectly, so I would really expect Revit to just clean up automatically, but even join geometry doesn't work. And the interior finishes do clean up, which makes me think that it has to do with being a vertically compound wall.
Unfortunately we have 3-4 stories, where all exterior walls are one level only, rather than continuous. We did it this way due to it being more intuitive for new users, and now we can't really change, as the windows on upper floors will disappear. The closest I have come is a pretty painful process of putting all the windows in a group, stretching the lower walls up, deleting the upper walls, then selecting the group and Restore All Excluded. I had hoped that Rehost would rehost in a new host in the same place, but no such luck. Imagine 5 models, 9 buildings, 3-4 floors each, 50-70 windows and doors each, and you get a sense of the task ahead. But if that is the only way to get a good cleanup, i suspect it is my only option.
Unless someone sees why Join Geometry is failing me! ;)

Thanks,
Gordon

[Dimitri Harvalias]

Gordon,
What part of the cleanup are you not happy with? is it just the line at the joint between the walls? The whole things cleans up nicely in section.

[ron.sanpedro]

Gordon,
What part of the cleanup are you not happy with? is it just the line at the joint between the walls? The whole things cleans up nicely in section.

Indeed, the line in elevation. The project has some pretty intentional stucco joints, so a stray line is a non starter. And <Invisible> lines are problematic too, as we not only have a full CD set, but upwards of 100 varied 3D views for design review purposes, so a few scores of stray lines multiplied by those views means a LOT of work. And one straw line means a problem in the field.
But yes, it cleans up beautifully in section, making the elevation that much more puzzling and frustrating.

Gordon

[Alex Page]

From your description methinks one wall is 'non-loadbearing' and the other one is 'loadbearing' (havent opened it up thou...)

[ron.sanpedro]

From your description methinks one wall is 'non-loadbearing' and the other one is 'loadbearing' (havent opened it up thou...)

In this case no, but I hadn't checked to be sure till just now. Of course the lower wall was created by Duplicating the upper, so a change there would have been very spooky. ;)

Gordon

[Dimitri Harvalias]

Good thought Alex but I checked it out and they are both non-bearing (tried changing them and it made no difference). I've got no answer for the join problem but I think you are correct that it has to do with the compound wall.

Gordon, just a suggestion... your pre-cast base is about 2'6" high so can't you just copy the lower wall to the same place, reduce the height of the duplicate wall to 2'6" and then select the original wall and swap it out for the insulated stucco wall? The stucco wall cleans up fine with the stucco wall.
There are a number of other ways to accomplish this by copying, pasting in the same place and then swapping out for a new wall. No problems with rehosting windows or anything. As long as you set your location line to exterior finish face it should work.

[patricks]

I had a similar problem on a recent project. 2 walls of the exact same wall type, but one wall was 2 stories tall, and the other wall was only 1 story tall on the 2nd floor. When joining them end to end the line would NOT go away no matter what I tried. The only thing I was able to do was to use linework in the elevation that showed it.

[ron.sanpedro]

Good thought Alex but I checked it out and they are both non-bearing (tried changing them and it made no difference). I've got no answer for the join problem but I think you are correct that it has to do with the compound wall.

Gordon, just a suggestion... your pre-cast base is about 2'6" high so can't you just copy the lower wall to the same place, reduce the height of the duplicate wall to 2'6" and then select the original wall and swap it out for the insulated stucco wall? The stucco wall cleans up fine with the stucco wall.
There are a number of other ways to accomplish this by copying, pasting in the same place and then swapping out for a new wall. No problems with rehosting windows or anything. As long as you set your location line to exterior finish face it should work.

Dimitri,
are you suggesting two walls stacked, with the break at 30", ie top of precast? Given that I have doors and windows that cross the boundary, that would not work I think. indeed, the whole reason for doing the vertically compound wall was to get the precast to turn the corner at the insert. we had started with just pulling the unlocked stucco finish up 30" and putting a separate wall of nothing but precast and air gap in the pocket. With a Join Geometry the door and window holes would transfer thru both walls, but the precast would never turn the corner at an insert as needed, and we started having all sorts of wall cleanup problems as well.
The other funny thing is the vertically compound wall will cleanup at the stucco automatically when it butts into the other wall type on the same level. It is just when the other wall is above that it fails. And a floor will Join Geometry with both the wall above and below no problem, and sections look really good (see revised attachment). It just seems to be a bug, which is really frustrating because every approach we have tried has some aspect that just totally fails and makes the situation untenable for us.

Arg!

Gordon