twiceroadsfool
2008-11-26, 04:36 PM
Moderators: This might belong in Out There, instead of In here... but i know this forum gets considerably more traffic, so i figured id start the post off here.
Revit and 3D models have changed a lot of things in the industry, and ive heard (from the lawyers themselves) that the legal precedents behind some of the changes are lagging behind. Worth mentioning, its not just the specific languages, documents, and paper trails that im interested in discussing, but how these items and the implications are changing our responsibilities and projects as a whole.
Its my contention that at LEAST 50% of notes on Drawings these days are CYA notes. So what happens under that pretense, when the model begins to speak for itself, and the CYA notes arent pasted on every intelligent object in the model? The conversation could go a LOT of different ways, so im hoping to get a few people in to really have something to talk about.
Its thursday, 1pm to 2pm. heres the unConf. Blurb:
UN310-3 Revit, BIM, and Changes to Architectural Contracts (E202, BIM Consensus)
From the AIA, to the CSI, organizations are all pondering what changes in the contracts and obligations, once project teams move to a model centric environment. ARE 2D deliverables still our FINAL product? What happens when the product starts leaning towards and depending more on the model, and work products of the model? Let's discuss how we’re all dealing with these issues, as we go forward with Revit: Clash detection, Information in models, collaboration between trades, Design versus Construction (shop drawings), deliverables, and liabilities.
Thursday, December 4; 1:00 p.m. - 1:50 p.m.
Some start topics that i could see coming up:
1. Conditions surrounding surrending the Model as a whole, at the end of the project.
2. Whats in that model (or any model), and how much has to be there, and how much of it are we liable for?
3. How much that USED to NOT be our responsibility (fabrication drawings, shop drawings, specifying items "by others," etc. will BECOME our responsibility as the "leads" on projects, and how much of that do we WANT as our responsibility?
4. What changes have we seen already / do we forsee in the relationships between:
Arch/Engineers
Arch/Clients
Arch/CM's
Arch/Estimators (if present)
Clients/Engineers
Thats just a start, im sure you guys will have more. I hope some of you can make it!
Revit and 3D models have changed a lot of things in the industry, and ive heard (from the lawyers themselves) that the legal precedents behind some of the changes are lagging behind. Worth mentioning, its not just the specific languages, documents, and paper trails that im interested in discussing, but how these items and the implications are changing our responsibilities and projects as a whole.
Its my contention that at LEAST 50% of notes on Drawings these days are CYA notes. So what happens under that pretense, when the model begins to speak for itself, and the CYA notes arent pasted on every intelligent object in the model? The conversation could go a LOT of different ways, so im hoping to get a few people in to really have something to talk about.
Its thursday, 1pm to 2pm. heres the unConf. Blurb:
UN310-3 Revit, BIM, and Changes to Architectural Contracts (E202, BIM Consensus)
From the AIA, to the CSI, organizations are all pondering what changes in the contracts and obligations, once project teams move to a model centric environment. ARE 2D deliverables still our FINAL product? What happens when the product starts leaning towards and depending more on the model, and work products of the model? Let's discuss how we’re all dealing with these issues, as we go forward with Revit: Clash detection, Information in models, collaboration between trades, Design versus Construction (shop drawings), deliverables, and liabilities.
Thursday, December 4; 1:00 p.m. - 1:50 p.m.
Some start topics that i could see coming up:
1. Conditions surrounding surrending the Model as a whole, at the end of the project.
2. Whats in that model (or any model), and how much has to be there, and how much of it are we liable for?
3. How much that USED to NOT be our responsibility (fabrication drawings, shop drawings, specifying items "by others," etc. will BECOME our responsibility as the "leads" on projects, and how much of that do we WANT as our responsibility?
4. What changes have we seen already / do we forsee in the relationships between:
Arch/Engineers
Arch/Clients
Arch/CM's
Arch/Estimators (if present)
Clients/Engineers
Thats just a start, im sure you guys will have more. I hope some of you can make it!