Area Rules???

[cadman6735]

We are creating an Area Plan and it is doing something strange that I have never noticed before until one of the Architects pointed it out to me.

The area boundry line extends past the next area line (for example think of a box, now that box at each corner extends past itself to form a tic tac to box) this is what I mean by extend past the next line.

If we un-check Apply Area Rules the lines perform as we desire.

I have googled it, search the help menu and searched augi. but I can't find a defenition.

What function does the Area Rules play? and what affect do I get by unchecking this box?

I have never noticed that box before and it always seemed to work fine till now.

Thanks

[SCShell]

Hey there,
I have never had any luck using the Area Rules....
Since 4.5, I have always unchecked that little rascal.
Good Luck
Steve

[dhurtubise]

They will work if you're a hardcore BOMA guy ... but most of us are not :-)

[twiceroadsfool]

Ive had decent luck with them per the BOMA calcs if you change the usage for the areas themselves... Between Vert cert, sales, circ, etc... Otherwise, much easier to remove the rules and play god with the boundaries...

[cadman6735]

I will keep unchecked and move on.

Thanks

[SCShell]

They will work if you're a hardcore BOMA guy ... but most of us are not :-)
Hey there,
How true.. I have not done a true BOMA calculation in over 15 years. My BOMA standards book is dated somewhere in the late 80's.
Steve

[saeborne]

They will work if you're a hardcore BOMA guy ... but most of us are not :-)

I have to disagree with this... When I've had to generate BOMA information from Revit, that "Apply Area Rules" check box gets it wrong 75% of the time. For example, I may need to measure to the inside face of glass on a perimeter curtain wall, but the tool will go for the control line of the curtain wall (which is often the CL of glass).

Sure, it's only a 1/2" off, but on a large scale project, it adds up. We've had developers freak out over Square Footage differences as small as 200 SF.

So I would argue that ESPECIALLY when doing BOMA, unclick that button.

Bryan

[SCShell]

I have to disagree with this... When I've had to generate BOMA information from Revit, that "Apply Area Rules" check box gets it wrong 75% of the time. For example, I may need to measure to the inside face of glass on a perimeter curtain wall, but the tool will go for the control line of the curtain wall (which is often the CL of glass).

Sure, it's only a 1/2" off, but on a large scale project, it adds up. We've had developers freak out over Square Footage differences as small as 200 SF.

So I would argue that ESPECIALLY when doing BOMA, unclick that button.

Bryan
Good thing I never use it then. You're right about the glazing. Revit must not know about the 50% rule about glazing in exterior walls.
Luckily, we all do.
Steve

[patricks]

I have to disagree with this... When I've had to generate BOMA information from Revit, that "Apply Area Rules" check box gets it wrong 75% of the time. For example, I may need to measure to the inside face of glass on a perimeter curtain wall, but the tool will go for the control line of the curtain wall (which is often the CL of glass).

Sure, it's only a 1/2" off, but on a large scale project, it adds up. We've had developers freak out over Square Footage differences as small as 200 SF.

So I would argue that ESPECIALLY when doing BOMA, unclick that button.

Bryan

Set your curtain panel offsets so that the inside face of the panel will be at the center control lines of the curtain wall, and then it will work. ;)

[SCShell]

Set your curtain panel offsets so that the inside face of the panel will be at the center control lines of the curtain wall, and then it will work. ;)
Hey there,
I have to disagree with this approach. Glazing systems have certain designs, depending on which system or manufacturer you select. I don't want my calculations to be based on moving the glass in order to match what the program wants to do by default. The program, in this case to measure to BOMA standards if that is in fact how it was programmed, should look for the interior face of glass, no matter where I place it, determine if it is more than 50% of the wall, and then locate the area boundary line accordingly. (I have used curtain systems where the glass is on the outside of the frame and storefront systems where the glass is centered, or offset to one side or the other.) I also have placed stud walls inside of the curtain framing to create the sills and heads, which sometimes exceeds 50% of the wall which means Revit should then measure to the wall face and not the glazing.
The point is, if the area rules are based on BOMA, I want to control the design and have Revit recognize it.

Thanks for offering help though! That is what AUGI is all about.
Steve