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Revit 2009 might be our final copy of revit used on production sets.
The software is lagging so far behind the industry its sad- just sad.
The engineers i am sure are working hard but whom ever is making the decisions should be fired and some people with some fire and ambition for what could be a good product be put in place to solve real world problems - not icing on the cake to sell more copies.
Enough
I have always moved the browser panel to my 2nd monitor to gain real estate on the one in front of my face, and it's been annoying to have to move it back there every time I opened another project or family. Now the browser stays put and you can slide some tool bars over as well. Is this as cool as it could be? No. Is it better than it was?Quote:
Originally Posted by SCShell
Someone should document the past few years' annual release from the AUGI forum perspective. It's very narcotic-like, with the unbearable anticipation leading to the ultimate disappointment. Not a lot of high in-between. So this year is pretty much like last. Same tune, new lyrics.
After spending millions of dollars on software, and a year waiting for it - I expect more than "it's not that bad".Quote:
Originally Posted by cliff collins
How's the food? "Not that bad"
How's the service? "Not that bad".
How's the beer? "Not that bad".
How's the software? "Not that bad".
I'll shop somewhere else.
-Phil
It's hard to shop for BIM apps at this early age in the genre's development. ArchiCAD isn't a viable option and anything else is too hard to learn.
I'd rather turn the heat up on Adesk than get up to speed on something new. That takes years...
Phil et al,
The point is there is nothing but negativity and complaining on this thread, about a release
which most users have only had for one or two days! Give it a chance! I'm very tired of all the nay-sayers who probably are just jumping on the negative band wagon without REALLY trying the new release in earnest. ( I know some beta users have been working with it for longer, so they should have "adjusted" somewhat by now. )
What I mean by "it's not that bad" is that the software is indeed very capable, and not at all as bad as described on this thread. I have several "power users" jumping right in and being productive, myself included. We are able to work easily and immediately with the new UI; I actually like having the ribbon organized into "groupings of categories" with larger graphic icons that are simple.
I love the new massing tools. ( But as I mentioned on another thread today, I'd like to have a fully-functional camera INSIDE the new masses, not just from the exterior. ) So do our Sketchup designers who are trying to dive into Revit. Our head designer may finally "make the jump" into Revit now just because of it's new "push-pull" abilities--which make it a more comfortable leap. That is a seriously important step for our firm to be able to make. We have been trying to achieve that for a long time. It's important to realise that not every firm has the same needs and priorities.
I agree that 2010 did not add many needed features which have been on the wishlist for many years, it is moving a new direction and I personally like to see change, even when at first it's a bit hard to get used to. Remember going from ADT or Max to modeling in Revit? Workplanes? WTF? But we did it, and mastered it. And now we have a "gizmo" in Revit, just like Max!!!! That tool alone makes our job easier, which improves workflow and our bottom line. I'll gladly pay for that.
Also, RAC 2010 still does everything that previous versions did, and also adds quite a few new items. It is definately not a mediocre piece of software--I've used just about everything out there--FormZ, Rhino, 3dsMax, Maya, Sketchup, ADT/ACA, Bentley, and even still this supposedly "horrid" release of Revit tops all of them--because it's true BIM, and it is moving into new territory. For instance, try putting complex custom patterns on a curtainwall as you can now with 2010, in any previous version of Revit. Could not be done without external 3rd party apps like Max. And even then it was never fully parametric, could not be schedules, etc. So I applaud the factory for that feature alone. We are actually using those new tools right now.
I suspect that next year we will be having similar comments on Revit 2011--watch and see.
Some people adapt to change and eagerly embrace it, and others complain and go ahead grudgingly--which as a side effect adversly affects the quality of the work being done. I'm just a positive person--while most others are not, I suppose. My Dad once said, "Folks are about as happy as they set out to be"
True indeed--just read this thread.
cheers.............
I like the ribbon. The ribbon is nice. The massing tools are a little complicated and not very SketchUpp'y but powerful indeed. No doubt that the Revit team has been working their butts off this past year. More than any year I think. I can understand those who are dissapointed about the lack of improvements to stairs, site and all those everyday important things (wish list items). I really think Autodesk should adress atleast some of the top wish list items (stairs please!!) in the first point release, or Revit will loose clients for sure! Revit cant afford the bad press and users dropping Revit for fx Archicad.
I have a question related to the new mass modeling tools and Generative Components. We had someone playing with GC a while ago and it got too complicated for them to figure out but this release of Revit "seems" to try to integrate a first step of such functionality but in perhaps an easier, graphic, Revit like manner.
Can others comment on that?
Maybe this is the beginning of what Autodesk got in the employment of the GC guru Dr. Robert Aish from Bentley.
Kevin
Looking at the comments on this forum, I'm afraid Dr Robert Aish is going to leave Autodesk after finding out that his tools aren't going to be appreciated. The current Revit users (which at this moment are still the majority) rather have a text editing tool than a graphical algorithm editor. So it may as well be that Autodesk may drop the massing and paneling tools in 2011.
But seriously, I have no idea what Autodesk is planning. The new API allows you to create scripted forms so I don’t see no reason why they wouldn’t create a GC like plug-in. It’s also not clear if this new tool will be built upon Revit, Maya or 3ds max.
In reality this tool can do what GC does, it seems. Have you seen the videos of the top two videos at http://designreform.net/?s=revit+201....x=0&image.y=0.
I think alot of its base is there.
Kevin
Two comments: one on Revit 2010, and another on software upgrades in general.
1. Revit 2010.
a. The Ribbon. Eh. Whatever. I don't like the UI either, but you have to know how to pick your battles. This is not going to go away, so unfortunately, getting used to it is all you can do. And, before some of you say, "oh, just get used to change", I LOVE change...but change for the better. This is not one of those.
b. As others have said, where are the improvements we hoped for? Site tools' improvement? Text tools? Dimensioning? And on, and on.
c. It does seem faster (at least on my machine); I really don't care how, but it just does.
2. Software upgrades.
a. I have seen this kind of thing before. A company upgrades software in ways that no one expected or cared about, and in all cases you rarely hear from the people at the top. It's always silence; which is perceived as "F@$% YOU!" That may not be the case, but remember, perception IS reality.
b. Now that Autodesk has all of these blogs, can't someone over there with some authority just take a few seconds to address our grievances. You don't have to capitulate (I know they won't), but at least to know that you HEAR us and have some sort of reason, whether we agree or not, for why you did what you did, that would be better than remaining silent.
c. Has anyone ever heard of a CEO or Big Shot at any software company doing that? Surely someone must have? Right?
Overall, I'll stay with 2009. No need to go through the frustration of learning a new UI when there's no payoff for my loss in time and productivity.
And for those of you who say, "you've only had it for two days, give it time", I say for what? Will improved site tools miraculously show up next week? Will the text tool approach something resembling robustness through some sort of osmosis over the weekend? Will the dimensioning tool suddenly "grow" more functionality over the summer. No dude, it ain't in there now, and it ain't gonna be there next week either. Maybe in 2011 release.
See you next year!