Multi Submittal Package in one Revit File

[thalim]

Hi,

Has anyone come across to have a different submittal package in one Revit file?
We currently have a Foundaiton Permit Set, Foundation Bid Set, Building Permit Set and Building Bid Set. We want to maintain it in one Revit File.

We created a Project Parameter for different submittal for View and Sheet:

FPS = Foundation Permit Set
FBS = Foundation Bid Set
BPS = Building Permit Set
BBS = Building Bid Set

We create a new Browser Organization by Submittal Package.

Then, we duplicate each view with a prefix as listed above for each submittal as well as the sheet. For example:

FPS - First Floor Plan in Vew. FPS-A-100 First Floor Plan in Sheet, but the border will still show Sheet A-100

FBS - First Floor Plan in Vew. FBS-A-100 First Floor Plan in Sheet, but the border will still show Sheet A-100

By doing that we were able to have a duplicate sheet in each submittal package.

However, in the Plans, Elevations, or Building Sections, the Buidling Sections symbol, Wall Sections symbol, and Callouts symbol show the real sheet name which is FPS-A-100. I can't find a way to trick Revit to show the section as A-100.

Any idea and help will be appreciated.

Mahalo.

Tobin

[twiceroadsfool]

It cant be done, without sacrific Revits ability to track the actual view names and sheet numbers. You can only use a sheet number once.

In the past, ive managed to compromise with some project managers to do a:

1A-100
2A-100 and so on. But its that, or:

2. Use a linked file for the documentation.
3. Use a seperate model entirely, for the different sets...

[dgreen.49364]

We recently had a rather large project where the contractor asked for 14 different bid packages. We kept it simple and didn't try to work around it the way you are. You can spend a lot of time trying to manage and maintain the system you are trying to force. What we did was, at each bid package, we printed a pdf set, archived the pdf set and moved on with the model and the next bid package. Being at the end of that now and well within construction administration, we have no regrets about doing it that way. It worked out fine.

[twiceroadsfool]

We recently had a rather large project where the contractor asked for 14 different bid packages. We kept it simple and didn't try to work around it the way you are. You can spend a lot of time trying to manage and maintain the system you are trying to force. What we did was, at each bid package, we printed a pdf set, archived the pdf set and moved on with the model and the next bid package. Being at the end of that now and well within construction administration, we have no regrets about doing it that way. It worked out fine.

Its not trying to force a system if you need the documents to be different, because theyre different documents. Now granted, you could just number them all differently so subsequent sets wont HAVE an "a-101", but there are caveats to doing it your way...

A design change that occurs while under construction and which means revisions to past sets of drawings will be a pain in the butt for you. If it doesnt happen on your jobs, thats great... But it happens to a lot of us, hehe.

Now that we have FILTERS that can pick up TYPES of views, this looks like it should be a no brainer. Views have an ID parameter for which "set" in the model they are a part of... And they ONLY display view references for THAT SET of docs in the model. Views that dont have a set filled in get treated as unreferenced views.

That would be sweet....

[eldad]

Thalim
instead of duplicating your view, create a new one (you will need to untick duplicate views) the problem with duplicating as you found out is that it will refer all your sections and elevations to the original view.
create your sections and elevations and change their type to the package you want, again duplicating an existing section might cause a problem, but check that.
like twiceroadsfool said, now you can controll sections and elevation in the filters! which is a great new feature in 2010
I'm sure you may already know that, but just in case you can select multiple view and apply a view template to all (with the filter you have created) that way you can hide any other sections or elevations you don't need to show...
hope this helps.

[dgreen.49364]

Its not trying to force a system if you need the documents to be different, because theyre different documents. Now granted, you could just number them all differently so subsequent sets wont HAVE an "a-101", but there are caveats to doing it your way...

A design change that occurs while under construction and which means revisions to past sets of drawings will be a pain in the butt for you. If it doesnt happen on your jobs, thats great... But it happens to a lot of us, hehe.

Now that we have FILTERS that can pick up TYPES of views, this looks like it should be a no brainer. Views have an ID parameter for which "set" in the model they are a part of... And they ONLY display view references for THAT SET of docs in the model. Views that dont have a set filled in get treated as unreferenced views.

That would be sweet....

Aaron, we certainly do have changes while under construction that affect past drawings. We deal with them with an ASK 8 1/2 x 11 sketch the way we would with any field change. It's pretty simple, really.

[davidcobi]

What we did was, at each bid package, we printed a pdf set, archived the pdf set and moved on with the model and the next bid package. Being at the end of that now and well within construction administration, we have no regrets about doing it that way. It worked out fine.

We also plot a PDF for each set we issue. And we archive the Revit file so if we need to edit one of the issued sets we have that option.

We wrestled with parameters and duplicate views three years ago and kind of abandonded it (http://revitbeginners.blogspot.com/2...l-package.html).

[thalim]

It cant be done, without sacrific Revits ability to track the actual view names and sheet numbers. You can only use a sheet number once.

In the past, ive managed to compromise with some project managers to do a:

1A-100
2A-100 and so on. But its that, or:

2. Use a linked file for the documentation.
3. Use a seperate model entirely, for the different sets...

Thanks for your reply.
If we maintain separate model, while the Foundation Permit Set is being reviewed by Building Department, the project is moving forward for the Foundation Bid Set. Once we are done with Foundation Bid Set, we are moving forward with the Building Permit Set. By that time, we get comments back from Building Department regarding Foundation Permit Set. We have to reply and resubmit the drawings. At the same time, we received comments from General Contractor which are bidding on the Foundation Bid Set. Then, we have to submit Building Permit Set and move on to Bid Set.
What we want is to maintain one model that can cover all Submittal Packages. I just can't imagine if we have to maintain 4 different model at the same time.

[thalim]

We also plot a PDF for each set we issue. And we archive the Revit file so if we need to edit one of the issued sets we have that option.

We wrestled with parameters and duplicate views three years ago and kind of abandonded it (http://revitbeginners.blogspot.com/2...l-package.html).

Thanks for your reply.

We used to archive the Revit file as well as the PDF for every submittal (Schematic Design, Design Development and Building Permit, Construction Document Packages) as our record. Assuming there will be minor changes after we sbumit Building Permit Set. So even when we receive comments back from Building Department, we can go back to Building Permit Set Revit archive file and make changes for the comments. But for this particular project, the client wants different submittal packages.

[thalim]

Thalim
instead of duplicating your view, create a new one (you will need to untick duplicate views) the problem with duplicating as you found out is that it will refer all your sections and elevations to the original view.
create your sections and elevations and change their type to the package you want, again duplicating an existing section might cause a problem, but check that.
like twiceroadsfool said, now you can controll sections and elevation in the filters! which is a great new feature in 2010
I'm sure you may already know that, but just in case you can select multiple view and apply a view template to all (with the filter you have created) that way you can hide any other sections or elevations you don't need to show...
hope this helps.

Thanks for your reply.

We are trying not to upgrade to Revit Architecture 2010 yet due to recommended hardware requirement. May be, we will have to consider it if 2010 can perform what we need.