Conceptual mass family walls NOT room bounding

[cslaten78249688]

We are designing a series of office towers that have angled and sloped walls. In order to get these complex shapes, we created the tower forms using the conceptual massing tool. One wall in particular (on each tower) slopes in and out, creating a pinched image. This face also contains a complex, undulating curtain wall. So far, so good, except that all of the rooms contained within these curtain walls will not read. It reports as if it is an unbound room.
During the SD phase, we used simple walls applied to the mass family faces in the Revit model, and the rooms worked fine. Now that the curtain wall has been developed, and the divide surface tool was used in conjunction with curtain wall adaptive components, all within the conceptual mass environment, the room bounding doesn't work.
Is there a way to set these components as room bounding?
Sorry for the long question...any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!

[Scott D Davis]

yes, select the wall, and make sure the Room Bounding checkbox is checked "on" in the Properties.

[cslaten78249688]

Yes, normal walls have this option. This wall was set up in the conceptual mass environment. The wall surfaces were divided, surface patterns were applied, and then replaced with curtain wall elements. These elements don't appear to be room bounding. Since the walls slope in and out, each floor plate is different and we need to be able to use the room tool in order to calc area and volume (not to mention ease of room documentation / scheduling).

[Scott D Davis]

Yes, normal walls have this option. This wall was set up in the conceptual mass environment. The wall surfaces were divided, surface patterns were applied, and then replaced with curtain wall elements. These elements don't appear to be room bounding. Since the walls slope in and out, each floor plate is different and we need to be able to use the room tool in order to calc area and volume (not to mention ease of room documentation / scheduling).

Ah...I see. That's a little different because it's not actually a wall. It's a collection of curtain panels that function as individual curtain panels, and not as a collection to make a "curtain wall." Let me look into it further and I'll get back to you...

[cslaten78249688]

Thanks! That's what I was afraid of, I guess the root of my original question would be how to turn this kind of curtain wall system into a bounding wall (if it is at all possible). I don't know why it wouldn't be possible if the tool was meant to create walls.

[hadlari]

I am having the same issue. is there any way to make pattern based cw systems room bounding?

Thanks.

[damon.sidel]

I assume this project is workshared... you could create a "Room-bounding Wall" workset that is NOT visible in all views then add basic walls by face to your mass in this workset. The rooms will work, the walls won't show. If you make the walls a unique wall type just for this purpose, you can filter them out of any wall schedules you create. Only thing this won't capture is the space between the mass surface and the "undulating" curtain wall you've created, so this isn't a perfect solution, but it may serve depending on your needs.

[hadlari]

I was afraid of that. that looks like what i will be doing however (over the course of 70 floors of separate masses).
Thanks for your input.

[damon.sidel]

I was afraid of that. that looks like what i will be doing however (over the course of 70 floors of separate masses).
Thanks for your input.

I often feel down when I have to repeat an operation many times, which happens a lot with tall towers. However, I always try to look on the bright side: at least you don't have to draw polylines on every floor for every room and tally areas in Excel or add hatches to create color plans. You'll add the walls once, then just update them to face every time you reload the masses. First time is a bit of a pain--and only because we (at least I do) expect everything to be automated because most things are in Revit--but easy every time you update.