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    Default Re: Text or Text Object Orientation to Layout Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by Opie View Post
    I have found it less troublesome to place the annotation of a model into its' own sheet for plotting purposes.

    The reason for this is I may need to show that model information in more than one location in a different scale factor. This same model information may not be the focus of the new drawing or even a different view on the same sheet. If I place the annotation with the model and then xref both into a sheet for plotting, I then need to deal with that annotation again if it is not needed for a second sheet or the secondary viewport. If the secondary viewport is at a different scale, I will have to deal with that aspect as well.

    I know, we now have the ability to have annotative objects which accommodates for these different scales. That causes yet another issue to deal with. That just sounds like a lot more trouble than it is worth.

    By placing my annotation in the sheet it is intended, I reduce some of the headache of dealing with XREF annotation from a model drawing.
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    That is my preferred approach. Its' not often that I want/need the same annotation showing up in the same place on different sheets. And annotative text in a nested xref seems to always end up in the wrong location on one of the sheets I need to plot.

    And incorporating xrefs from another firm/discipline exacerbates the coordination issues. Almost never are the survey notes/labels relevant to my civil design sheets. 99.5% of the time they are just in the way and are one more thing to work around/freeze/handle. especially north arrows and bar scales. for pete's sake =- put them in paperspace!!

    Old school drafting says that any given dimension should only appear once and never be repeated in a drawing set. It's not a bad rule....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cadtag View Post
    Old school drafting says that any given dimension should only appear once and never be repeated in a drawing set. It's not a bad rule....
    And, if a dimension is needed more than once, all but one (the most usefull one) should labelled "xxx REF."
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    Default Re: Text or Text Object Orientation to Layout Problems

    Perhaps I did not clearly express what I do, or I did, and am just not understanding y'all... Not wanting to argue, just make sure that I was clear.

    I have a model drawing (my XREF), which is comprised of non-annotation entities, and referenced as an overlay into my sheet drawing, where both the XREF and annotations are placed in Model tab (within the sheet drawing)... This allows me to reference the annotations from any sheet(s) into any other drawing, or even the same XREF model drawing, when making design changes, to know exactly what is adjacent my current area of operation, and all without bringing along a duplicate XREF, or circular reference.

    What I do not do, is place an entire projects worth of annotations in the same drawing, and reference that into each sheet, as is common among Microstation projects.
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    Default Re: Text or Text Object Orientation to Layout Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBox View Post
    Perhaps I did not clearly express what I do, or I did, and am just not understanding y'all... Not wanting to argue, just make sure that I was clear.
    I'm still confused.

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    Default Re: Text or Text Object Orientation to Layout Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by BlackBox View Post
    Perhaps I did not clearly express what I do, or I did, and am just not understanding y'all... Not wanting to argue, just make sure that I was clear.

    I have a model drawing (my XREF), which is comprised of non-annotation entities, and referenced as an overlay into my sheet drawing, where both the XREF and annotations are placed in Model tab (within the sheet drawing)... This allows me to reference the annotations from any sheet(s) into any other drawing, or even the same XREF model drawing, when making design changes, to know exactly what is adjacent my current area of operation, and all without bringing along a duplicate XREF, or circular reference.

    What I do not do, is place an entire projects worth of annotations in the same drawing, and reference that into each sheet, as is common among Microstation projects.
    That makes sense to me.
    Sheet contains views of model space which contains annotations and an xref of the geometry.
    You can choose to xref the same geometry into other drawings and/or xref the annotations + the geometry into other drawings.
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    Default Re: Text or Text Object Orientation to Layout Problems

    Quote Originally Posted by jaberwok View Post
    That makes sense to me.
    Sheet contains views of model space which contains annotations and an xref of the geometry.
    You can choose to xref the same geometry into other drawings and/or xref the annotations + the geometry into other drawings.
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