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    Default RE: Reset Revit Origin?

    The Project Coordinates origin can't be moved. This is not a problem unless you have more than one coordinate system that you need to work with on your project. When the project only needs one 0,0 point, you can locate Shared Coordinates to align with the coordinates in question (Revit is more cooperative in this regard than it was in the past).

    Now: you need to know that Revit ignores the BASE command in AutoCAD and assumes that 0,0 is the origin. Here's the deal: import a 100' circle with a 150' line from 0,0 going straight up drawn in AutoCAD with center 0,0 with the origin-to-origin option into Revit. The center of the circle will give you the Project Coordinates origin for your Revit project. This origin cannot be moved or altered; it's just there. I get users to put this into all their office templates so they know where this is and can use it effectively.

    Now draw a (exactly) 5280' circle around the Project Coordinates origin. If the insertion point of the DWG (remembering that Revit assumes 0,0 in Acad is the origin) is such so that the whole DWG fits inside this circle, you're good. Otherwise, you're manually moving DWGs into place. So Revit works fine, provided the DWGs fit inside this 2-mile-wide circle. Revit objects can be outside this circle without affecting the insertion of DWGs.

    An upshot of this: if the Shared Coordinates origin and the Project Coordinates origins are more than 2 miles apart, importing by Shared Coordinates always fails -- it defaults to center-to-center. So if your DWG is a mile wide and 0,0 is in the middle of it, the Shared Coordinates origin must be less than 1.5 miles from the Project Coordinates origin for import by Shared Coordinates to work seamlessly.

    Edit: See the post below for how to acquire coordinates from DWG files with large coordinate systems.
    Last edited by Wes Macaulay; 2007-09-25 at 03:43 PM.

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    Default Re: Revit Origin and Shared Coordinates

    Here's David Conant's additional information about Shared Coordinates in Revit. Despite what David says about Revit not liking large coordinates, Revit has floating point precision, but limitations in Window's display system forces the Factory to impose some guidelines, which are discussed here:
    Factory says: This is one place where you have to follow the rules.

    Revit's internal calculations do not like very large coordinate numbers. There are many number systems used in an app like Revit, some for calculating values, some for driving the display, etc. In some cases these systems differ in the precision of the numbers they can use. When numeric values are small, these differences in precision are insignificant. When numbers get large, the differences while still small on a percentage basis become large enough to effect the reults of display and operations. Thus, it is important to keep your Revit project near Revit's origin. (near means within 1 mile/1.6km) Revit's origin is near the center of the space made by the elevation symbols in the default template.

    The Rules
    • Always build your building near the starting point of the default template.
    • Model it with Project North pointing directly up. (lay it out as you would have it appear on sheets)
    • If you are using a dwg based site, Link your site file Center To Center.
    • Move or rotate the SITE under your project until it is correctly positioned relative to the building. (do not move or rotate the project itself).
    • Use the Acquire Coordinates tool and pick the site.
    This will set your project's shared coordinated to those of the dwg's wcs. True North will be the dwg's Y axis. Now your building knows where the dwg 0,0 is, but it can still record its own information in well behaving small numbers. It knows and can orient to either True North, or Project North. Once the shared coordinates are set, subsequent imports can be made origin to origin using shared coordinates.
    Last edited by Wes Macaulay; 2007-09-25 at 03:46 PM.

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